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JWeinCom said:
Machiavellian said:

True it does not serve any Senator to go along with this crazy scheme but you only need one on both parties to pitch this on Jan 6th and then all hell breaks loose.  You would have to believe that McConnel still have a iron clad hand on his party but I actually see a few cracks.  There are just to many nut cases willing to play this gambit all the way to the finish line and unfortunately I believe we are headed directly there.  Anyway, nothing is going to go anywhere until we get that House and Senate letter for both houses looking to object to the EC votes, without that well anything that happens on Jan 6 would not even get to a vote.

It's not just about McConnell though, I don't see the benefit for any particular Senator. I mean, Lindsey Graham would toss Trump's salad on the Senate floor if he thought it would help him, but what's in it for him to go along with this? All they could do is delay it two hours per state they objected to. It would be a pain in the ass, but not much more. Even if they objected to every state Biden won it wouldn't actually change anything.

I think you're confusing sycophants in the Senate who will publicly go along with anything Trump says for people who actually believe his bullshit. At the end of the day, what they care about is themselves, and I don't see how attempting this would help any Senator.

The problem is that you are way to rational in thinking about this whole thing. Rational thinking is not on the menu.  Also you have Ted Cruz and Graham who would be willing to throw this situation into conflict.  The thing is they see it as solidifying their careers.  Trump will be playing this game for at least another 4 years and these 2 want those base voters for when he ultimately decides after 4 years and probably a billion dollar payday that he will not run.  Ted Cruz definitely has his eyes set to run in 2024 so trying to appear he is concerned and cares about Trump is how he is making his move.  The thing is, its not about whether they can get Trump reelected because that really isn't the aim, the aim is to keep his base engaged and angry so that in 2024, one of these fools can step into his place. I really see this as a move for Ted Cruz and you can believe he feels this is his time.  74 million votes is still a lot of people and I am sure Ted believes he can keep that motivation going with someone more political savvy then Trump.  Trust me, these people hate Trump to the center of their soul but they probably believe they can still ride on his coattails.

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Machiavellian said:
JWeinCom said:

It's not just about McConnell though, I don't see the benefit for any particular Senator. I mean, Lindsey Graham would toss Trump's salad on the Senate floor if he thought it would help him, but what's in it for him to go along with this? All they could do is delay it two hours per state they objected to. It would be a pain in the ass, but not much more. Even if they objected to every state Biden won it wouldn't actually change anything.

I think you're confusing sycophants in the Senate who will publicly go along with anything Trump says for people who actually believe his bullshit. At the end of the day, what they care about is themselves, and I don't see how attempting this would help any Senator.

The problem is that you are way to rational in thinking about this whole thing. Rational thinking is not on the menu.  Also you have Ted Cruz and Graham who would be willing to throw this situation into conflict.  The thing is they see it as solidifying their careers.  Trump will be playing this game for at least another 4 years and these 2 want those base voters for when he ultimately decides after 4 years and probably a billion dollar payday that he will not run.  Ted Cruz definitely has his eyes set to run in 2024 so trying to appear he is concerned and cares about Trump is how he is making his move.  The thing is, its not about whether they can get Trump reelected because that really isn't the aim, the aim is to keep his base engaged and angry so that in 2024, one of these fools can step into his place. I really see this as a move for Ted Cruz and you can believe he feels this is his time.  74 million votes is still a lot of people and I am sure Ted believes he can keep that motivation going with someone more political savvy then Trump.  Trust me, these people hate Trump to the center of their soul but they probably believe they can still ride on his coattails.

Ted Cruz and Graham are rational thinking... Their rationality is based on doing what they feel is best for them in the long run, so they will embrace obvious irrationality from Trump (or whoever else) if it gets them there. Being Trumps bestie might help them, but not if Trump's base splits off even more from the GOP. 

Trump's base is only useful if it's part of the GOP. There's a reason that the GOP did so much better in house and senate races than Trump did on the national level. Forcing a further split by getting the GOP to either vote against Trump or embrace him hardcore is not in their best interest. 



I swear every time Biden passes some step of the process, folks start claiming that Trump can still find the spear of destiny and the amulet of Osiris and if he brings both to Congress at the next full moon he can overturn the states where Biden won and reclaim the presidency. 



curl-6 said:

I swear every time Biden passes some step of the process, folks start claiming that Trump can still find the spear of destiny and the amulet of Osiris and if he brings both to Congress at the next full moon he can overturn the states where Biden won and reclaim the presidency. 

It's a cult. That's the way cults work. 

When one of these doomsday cults predicts the world is going to end and it doesn't, the believers never say "oh I guess we were wrong, back to sanity". They just make some bullshit rationalization and move on to the next prophecy. If they were rational and believed in evidence, then they wouldn't be in the cult.



Trumps lawyer has declared "under plenty of perjury" that the facts he alleges about voter fraud are true XD. 

So incompetent that he actually told the truth. #thekraken #4DChess #Thebestpeople



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JWeinCom said:

Trumps lawyer has declared "under plenty of perjury" that the facts he alleges about voter fraud are true XD. 

So incompetent that he actually told the truth. #thekraken #4DChess #Thebestpeople

Can't get you for committing perjury if you never declared under "penalty of perjury" in the first place.



vivster said:

I also watched Idiocracy recently. The most unrealistic thing about the movie was how they put the smart person immediately in a top position for being smart.

I'd say it's actually the most realistic. It's part of the cycle. When things are terribly bad, you put the best at the top and allow them to fix everything and expand. Then people get careless and greedy. Once that happens, the manipulators and useful idiots slowly take over and take advantage of this, while gradually degrading everything. Eventually you hit rock bottom.

We've just been in the degrading portion for quite a while now, so the cycle isn't evident from experience.



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EricHiggin said:
vivster said:

I also watched Idiocracy recently. The most unrealistic thing about the movie was how they put the smart person immediately in a top position for being smart.

I'd say it's actually the most realistic. It's part of the cycle. When things are terribly bad, you put the best at the top and allow them to fix everything and expand. Then people get careless and greedy. Once that happens, the manipulators and useful idiots slowly take over and take advantage of this, while gradually degrading everything. Eventually you hit rock bottom.

We've just been in the degrading portion for quite a while now, so the cycle isn't evident from experience.

Since when?

Seriously, the last US President who could fit that bill would have been FDR. Both Trump and Biden are living proofs that the bolded part of what you said isn't true.

Also, just look who Germany put on top when things went terribly bad in their country during the great depression...

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Bofferbrauer2 said:
EricHiggin said:

I'd say it's actually the most realistic. It's part of the cycle. When things are terribly bad, you put the best at the top and allow them to fix everything and expand. Then people get careless and greedy. Once that happens, the manipulators and useful idiots slowly take over and take advantage of this, while gradually degrading everything. Eventually you hit rock bottom.

We've just been in the degrading portion for quite a while now, so the cycle isn't evident from experience.

Since when?

Seriously, the last US President who could fit that bill would have been FDR. Both Trump and Biden are living proofs that the bolded part of what you said isn't true.

Also, just look who Germany put on top when things went terribly bad in their country during the great depression...

Ka-pi96 said:
EricHiggin said:

I'd say it's actually the most realistic. It's part of the cycle. When things are terribly bad, you put the best at the top and allow them to fix everything and expand. Then people get careless and greedy. Once that happens, the manipulators and useful idiots slowly take over and take advantage of this, while gradually degrading everything. Eventually you hit rock bottom.

We've just been in the degrading portion for quite a while now, so the cycle isn't evident from experience.

History would suggest that's actually when you put the very worst at the top.

"The Great War" was 'great' until it wasn't, because of an even greater unforeseen war. Now they're known as the World Wars. What's important is the difference between them and what made one worse (or 'greater') than the other, without disregarding the distant past beyond them and how it compares.

Again, the point being, we've just been in the degrading portion for quite a while now, so the cycle isn't evident from experience.



PS1   - ! - We must build a console that can alert our enemies.

PS2  - @- We must build a console that offers online living room gaming.

PS3   - #- We must build a console that’s powerful, social, costs and does everything.

PS4   - $- We must build a console that’s affordable, charges for services, and pumps out exclusives.

PRO  -%-We must build a console that's VR ready, checkerboard upscales, and sells but a fraction of the money printer.

PS5   - ^ -We must build a console that’s a generational cross product, with RT lighting, and price hiking.

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JWeinCom said:
curl-6 said:

I swear every time Biden passes some step of the process, folks start claiming that Trump can still find the spear of destiny and the amulet of Osiris and if he brings both to Congress at the next full moon he can overturn the states where Biden won and reclaim the presidency. 

It's a cult. That's the way cults work. 

When one of these doomsday cults predicts the world is going to end and it doesn't, the believers never say "oh I guess we were wrong, back to sanity". They just make some bullshit rationalization and move on to the next prophecy. If they were rational and believed in evidence, then they wouldn't be in the cult.

Man, you're not kidding, some of the stuff the hardcore MAGA folks are posting online is absolutely cult material, worshipping Trump as a literally Christ-like figure and calling for civil war, dictatorship, mass executions of the "left", etc. Genuinely frightening stuff.