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Trump's lawyer's response on fraud.

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Bofferbrauer2 said:
Zoombael said:
Mitch McConnell: 'Trump 100 percent within rights to look into election irregularities'https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/election-us-2020-54882647Democrats should welcome this development. Cement the victory by proving the fairness of the election.

Great. Send in a team of truly independent und unpartisan people to check. I'm 100% sure they'd confirm Biden as the winner of the election and thus as President and the only irregularities they'll find are from Postmaster General DeJoy holding back ballots in a bid to try and help the Republican party.

This.  The most legit audits are actually done by legit and competent outside sources.



Lube Me Up

EricHiggin said:
sundin13 said:
EricHiggin said:

Sure you can compare. Just not directly when it comes to everything. I wasn't comparing everything. 

What do those things have to do with him being Prez? Can they be compared? The lying I'll give you, as that's a politicians specialty.

If there's no fraud then what's the problem with investigating? If they'll find nothing then it's more ammo to use against him, like if he runs in 2024.

Unfortunately, Trump isn't merely checking the boxes to make sure everything is above board. He is also refusing to allow the transition team to begin the transition to a new presidency, which is potentially a threat to national security and a threat to the Federal government's ability to smoothly function upon inauguration.

What potentially could happen between now and then is just about anything.

If during the covid crisis, a doctor checks you out because you think you may have signs of cancer, has some concerns and says it requires a closer look and a second opinion to be safe. Should you just go home and wait until covid is over, whenever that may happen, before you do anything about this potential cancer?

If you get checked again and it's found to be nothing, so what? Don't dare take the chance because of the potential of covid? If it's found to be a major concern, then good thing you did something about it asap, covid be damned.

It's not exactly like Trump has the country at the brink of war. It's not like Biden isn't familiar with politics let alone the highest forms of Gov.

Final question to Biden at the first debate. Joe says to just chill and let the process play out.

If a doctor was telling people they had cancer without providing any actual evidence, they'd be stripped of their license and sued into oblivion for malpractice.



JWeinCom said:
EricHiggin said:
sundin13 said:
EricHiggin said:

Sure you can compare. Just not directly when it comes to everything. I wasn't comparing everything. 

What do those things have to do with him being Prez? Can they be compared? The lying I'll give you, as that's a politicians specialty.

If there's no fraud then what's the problem with investigating? If they'll find nothing then it's more ammo to use against him, like if he runs in 2024.

Unfortunately, Trump isn't merely checking the boxes to make sure everything is above board. He is also refusing to allow the transition team to begin the transition to a new presidency, which is potentially a threat to national security and a threat to the Federal government's ability to smoothly function upon inauguration.

What potentially could happen between now and then is just about anything.

If during the covid crisis, a doctor checks you out because you think you may have signs of cancer, has some concerns and says it requires a closer look and a second opinion to be safe. Should you just go home and wait until covid is over, whenever that may happen, before you do anything about this potential cancer?

If you get checked again and it's found to be nothing, so what? Don't dare take the chance because of the potential of covid? If it's found to be a major concern, then good thing you did something about it asap, covid be damned.

It's not exactly like Trump has the country at the brink of war. It's not like Biden isn't familiar with politics let alone the highest forms of Gov.

Final question to Biden at the first debate. Joe says to just chill and let the process play out.

If a doctor was telling people they had cancer without providing any actual evidence, they'd be stripped of their license and sued into oblivion for malpractice.

What if the doctor explains your medical condition in detail on the news? How can the public know you're not just wasting the system's time and money? Especially in a universal system.



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PS3   - #- We must build a console that’s powerful, social, costs and does everything.

PS4   - $- We must build a console that’s affordable, charges for services, and pumps out exclusives.

PRO  -%-We must build a console that's VR ready, checkerboard upscales, and sells but a fraction of the money printer.

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EricHiggin said:

What if the doctor explains your medical condition in detail on the news? 

I believe that would be a HIPAA violation. Doctors cannot legally share private details regarding my medical condition with the news. 



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Ka-pi96 said:
EricHiggin said:
JWeinCom said:

If a doctor was telling people they had cancer without providing any actual evidence, they'd be stripped of their license and sued into oblivion for malpractice.

What if the doctor explains your medical condition in detail on the news? How can the public know you're not just wasting the system's time and money? Especially in a universal system.

What if they're not even a doctor?

sundin13 said:
EricHiggin said:

What if the doctor explains your medical condition in detail on the news? 

I believe that would be a HIPAA violation. Doctors cannot legally share private details regarding my medical condition with the news. 

Some things are kept quiet/confidential for good reason.



PS1   - ! - We must build a console that can alert our enemies.

PS2  - @- We must build a console that offers online living room gaming.

PS3   - #- We must build a console that’s powerful, social, costs and does everything.

PS4   - $- We must build a console that’s affordable, charges for services, and pumps out exclusives.

PRO  -%-We must build a console that's VR ready, checkerboard upscales, and sells but a fraction of the money printer.

PS5   - ^ -We must build a console that’s a generational cross product, with RT lighting, and price hiking.

PRO  -&- We must build a console that Super Res upscales and continues the cost increases.

EricHiggin said:

Some things are kept quiet/confidential for good reason.

Mayhap things that are being kept quiet shouldn't be so damned loud.



Parliament getting a little savage about the election.



EricHiggin said:
JWeinCom said:
EricHiggin said:
sundin13 said:
EricHiggin said:

Sure you can compare. Just not directly when it comes to everything. I wasn't comparing everything. 

What do those things have to do with him being Prez? Can they be compared? The lying I'll give you, as that's a politicians specialty.

If there's no fraud then what's the problem with investigating? If they'll find nothing then it's more ammo to use against him, like if he runs in 2024.

Unfortunately, Trump isn't merely checking the boxes to make sure everything is above board. He is also refusing to allow the transition team to begin the transition to a new presidency, which is potentially a threat to national security and a threat to the Federal government's ability to smoothly function upon inauguration.

What potentially could happen between now and then is just about anything.

If during the covid crisis, a doctor checks you out because you think you may have signs of cancer, has some concerns and says it requires a closer look and a second opinion to be safe. Should you just go home and wait until covid is over, whenever that may happen, before you do anything about this potential cancer?

If you get checked again and it's found to be nothing, so what? Don't dare take the chance because of the potential of covid? If it's found to be a major concern, then good thing you did something about it asap, covid be damned.

It's not exactly like Trump has the country at the brink of war. It's not like Biden isn't familiar with politics let alone the highest forms of Gov.

Final question to Biden at the first debate. Joe says to just chill and let the process play out.

If a doctor was telling people they had cancer without providing any actual evidence, they'd be stripped of their license and sued into oblivion for malpractice.

What if the doctor explains your medical condition in detail on the news? How can the public know you're not just wasting the system's time and money? Especially in a universal system.

Evidence. Evidence is the answer to every question you're asking.

Malpractice is a private cause of action. It's not a public matter, regardless of whether there is a universal system or not, because malpractice suits would be against the doctor directly. The public doesn't need to know shit.

BUT if the public is really that interested, court records are available, so they can look up the records (which would possibly be redacted to protect my privacy). They can see the evidence I've presented for my claim.

More importantly, the court can see the evidence for my claim. And if I am alleging fraud without evidence, then the court can force me to pay the legal fees for the doctor, and the doctor may have a cause of action for libel.

Again, the answer to everything you say is evidence. The point of your analogy, which you've now drifted away from once the obvious flaw was pointed out, is that we should take a claim seriously and check it out because not doing so may be harmful. The obvious flaw in that is that we can't take seriously any random claim that's thrown out there. A random person on the subway one day was telling about 5 different people that the FBI was after them and would come to their home shortly. I doubt very much any of them took precautions, nor should they. 

We have to have some way to determine which claims are worth looking into and which are not. The best way to do that is with expertise and evidence. When someone who is qualified to make a determination, like a doctor, makes that determination with evidence, then it's a good idea to check that out. When someone has one or the other (expertise or evidence) it's still probably worth checking out, although we would start off more skeptically. 

When someone with no demonstrable expertise who whines like a fucking child every time he loses (when Ted Cruz beat him in Iowa when Clinton won the popular vote) and has already wasted millions of dollars on a fraud investigation that turned up nothing (in 2016 when he claimed he won except for the illegal immigrants voting) is making a claim without any evidence, we don't have to take that seriously. 

Now please stop with the hypotheticals, because it's going to be considered derailing. They are pointless. Of course you can find some scenario where it makes sense to take someone's claim seriously, but that doesn't mean that a claim in a completely different scenario should be taken seriously. 

Last edited by JWeinCom - on 12 November 2020

Pro-Trump Televangelist Handling His Loss Very Normally :/