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curl-6 said:
SpokenTruth said:

We were told to expect 2 Nintendo Directs this month. An indie focused ND before Animal Crossing released and a major retail ND focused ND a week after. The Nindie Direct happened yesterday. Patience, fellas.

We were also told to expect 2 Directs in Feb,that didn't happen. 

I mean, i'm fairly sure we're going to get a direct next week or sometime this month after that Nindie prediction, but regardless you kind of indirectly pointed out something that I think needs to be brought up. When people say "we were told to expect 2 Nintendo Directs this month", what they really mean is, the leaker community which at best has a 50/50 record on being correct (and that's even too high) told us to maybe possibly get a direct this one, then another one after that. But don't worry, if they're wrong it's just the sources fault, not theirs! 

I don't want Nintendo to announce directs long in advance, I like the style they go for as is, but I also don't think ambiguous direct statements from third party sources should be used to reassure people, either. It's ridiculous. I never would have in my life guessed that a general direct for the Switch would land in late March, yet here we are. At some point, accepting rumors because of conventional wisdom just totally fails, and even when rumors make sense they are often wrong. 

Bottom line: Rumors are not a counter-argument against concerns about lack of information. In fact, they kind of prove the concern further! 



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AngryLittleAlchemist said:
curl-6 said:

We were also told to expect 2 Directs in Feb,that didn't happen. 

I mean, i'm fairly sure we're going to get a direct next week or sometime this month after that Nindie prediction, but regardless you kind of indirectly pointed out something that I think needs to be brought up. When people say "we were told to expect 2 Nintendo Directs this month", what they really mean is, the leaker community which at best has a 50/50 record on being correct (and that's even too high) told us to maybe possibly get a direct this one, then another one after that. But don't worry, if they're wrong it's just the sources fault, not theirs! 

I don't want Nintendo to announce directs long in advance, I like the style they go for as is, but I also don't think ambiguous direct statements from third party sources should be used to reassure people, either. It's ridiculous. I never would have in my life guessed that a general direct for the Switch would land in late March, yet here we are. At some point, accepting rumors because of conventional wisdom just totally fails, and even when rumors make sense they are often wrong. 

Bottom line: Rumors are not a counter-argument against concerns about lack of information. In fact, they kind of prove the concern further! 

Exactly, people treat the rumor of a general direct next week as though it's confirmed when the rumor-mongers also told us we'd get one in Feb.

We've been told "just be patient, it's coming soon" for months now, with nothing to show for it. You can't expect people to wait and suffer forever without losing patience.



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curl-6 said:
SpokenTruth said:

We were told to expect 2 Nintendo Directs this month. An indie focused ND before Animal Crossing released and a major retail ND focused ND a week after. The Nindie Direct happened yesterday. Patience, fellas.

We were also told to expect 2 Directs in Feb,that didn't happen. 

It's hard to maintain patience when months and months pass with no significant announcements, and no major release dates to look forward to if you're not into Animal Crossing. I think people have a right to be worried and frustrated. This tendency they have to starve their fans of information is a horrible way to treating loyal paying customers.

1). The Feb rumor had 2 parts.  An Animal Crossing direct and a Spring/Summer retail direct.  We got the Animal Crossing direct.  So, yes, one did happen.

2). The new rumor also had 2 parts...an indie direct before Animal Crossing and a retail direct after Animal Crossing.   The Nindie Direct was spot on. 

What probably happened is the Feb retail direct got moved to March to either give Animal Crossing the limelight, add more titles or had to reschedule some Nintendo of America portions because of the virus.  Want another possible reason? Their fiscal year ends on March 31st.  What a great way to wrap up the fiscal year by holding a direct about all the games coming in the next fiscal year.

They are only starving you of a specific release date. You still know several of the games that are coming.  Do you honestly think they are waiting until 2022 to release them?  Of course you don't.  So ignore the pessimism and fantastical realities of a completely empty release schedule and consider more the whole picture.



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I think some of the unannounced games’ release dates or windows might’ve changed due to the virus. Analysts mentioned that upcoming titles for 2020 might get affected because of all this.

The Outer Worlds port was delayed due to Virtuos Games, a Chinese developer that is developing the port, had to hold off in order to protect its staff. This was back in early February.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.polygon.com/platform/amp/2020/2/6/21127025/outer-worlds-nintendo-switch-port-delayed

I can see that Nintendo’s devs that were planning to release games this year had to be aware of the virus building up as it transitioned from China to other parts of Asia, especially Japan.

Hell, Sakurai just said in his latest column (which is written bi-weekly so there’s a timing in all of this) that he had to hold off giving presentations to developers involved in Fighter Pass Vol. 2. So basically there may be a delay in releasing one or some of the fighters in the upcoming pass. Maybe not the first fighter but likely the other 5 fighters.



curl-6 said:
AngryLittleAlchemist said:

I mean, i'm fairly sure we're going to get a direct next week or sometime this month after that Nindie prediction, but regardless you kind of indirectly pointed out something that I think needs to be brought up. When people say "we were told to expect 2 Nintendo Directs this month", what they really mean is, the leaker community which at best has a 50/50 record on being correct (and that's even too high) told us to maybe possibly get a direct this one, then another one after that. But don't worry, if they're wrong it's just the sources fault, not theirs! 

I don't want Nintendo to announce directs long in advance, I like the style they go for as is, but I also don't think ambiguous direct statements from third party sources should be used to reassure people, either. It's ridiculous. I never would have in my life guessed that a general direct for the Switch would land in late March, yet here we are. At some point, accepting rumors because of conventional wisdom just totally fails, and even when rumors make sense they are often wrong. 

Bottom line: Rumors are not a counter-argument against concerns about lack of information. In fact, they kind of prove the concern further! 

Exactly, people treat the rumor of a general direct next week as though it's confirmed when the rumor-mongers also told us we'd get one in Feb.

We've been told "just be patient, it's coming soon" for months now, with nothing to show for it. You can't expect people to wait and suffer forever without losing patience.

*For the record, I mean that the first non-game specific nintendo-oriented direct would land in March. I'm sure I'm going to get replies talking about how there was a March Direct in 2018 (although even that was early March). 



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SpokenTruth said:
curl-6 said:

We were also told to expect 2 Directs in Feb,that didn't happen. 

It's hard to maintain patience when months and months pass with no significant announcements, and no major release dates to look forward to if you're not into Animal Crossing. I think people have a right to be worried and frustrated. This tendency they have to starve their fans of information is a horrible way to treating loyal paying customers.

1). The Feb rumor had 2 parts.  An Animal Crossing direct and a Spring/Summer retail direct.  We got the Animal Crossing direct.  So, yes, one did happen.

2). The new rumor also had 2 parts...an indie direct before Animal Crossing and a retail direct after Animal Crossing.   The Nindie Direct was spot on. 

What probably happened is the Feb retail direct got moved to March to either give Animal Crossing the limelight, add more titles or had to reschedule some Nintendo of America portions because of the virus.  Want another possible reason? Their fiscal year ends on March 31st.  What a great way to wrap up the fiscal year by holding a direct about all the games coming in the next fiscal year.

They are only starving you of a specific release date. You still know several of the games that are coming.  Do you honestly think they are waiting until 2022 to release them?  Of course you don't.  So ignore the pessimism and fantastical realities of a completely empty release schedule and consider more the whole picture.

But the AC direct in Feb didn't lead to a general one later, so the indie presentation this month similarly doesn't confirm a general one is coming next week.

I'd love to believe one is coming next week, but after months of constant disappointment, I can't bring myself to get my hopes up only to be crushed yet again.

And I actually would not be surprised if games like Metroid Prime 4, Bayonetta 3, or BOTW2 don't come out til 2022 at this point, the first two feel like basically vaporware at this point and BOTW1 was supposed to be a 2015 game.



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curl-6 said:
SpokenTruth said:

1). The Feb rumor had 2 parts.  An Animal Crossing direct and a Spring/Summer retail direct.  We got the Animal Crossing direct.  So, yes, one did happen.

2). The new rumor also had 2 parts...an indie direct before Animal Crossing and a retail direct after Animal Crossing.   The Nindie Direct was spot on. 

What probably happened is the Feb retail direct got moved to March to either give Animal Crossing the limelight, add more titles or had to reschedule some Nintendo of America portions because of the virus.  Want another possible reason? Their fiscal year ends on March 31st.  What a great way to wrap up the fiscal year by holding a direct about all the games coming in the next fiscal year.

They are only starving you of a specific release date. You still know several of the games that are coming.  Do you honestly think they are waiting until 2022 to release them?  Of course you don't.  So ignore the pessimism and fantastical realities of a completely empty release schedule and consider more the whole picture.

But the AC direct in Feb didn't lead to a general one later, so the indie presentation this month similarly doesn't confirm a general one is coming next week.

I'd love to believe one is coming next week, but after months of constant disappointment, I can't bring myself to get my hopes up only to be crushed yet again.

And I actually would not be surprised if games like Metroid Prime 4, Bayonetta 3, or BOTW2 don't come out til 2022 at this point, the first two feel like basically vaporware at this point and BOTW1 was supposed to be a 2015 game.

To be fair, it’s been three months into the year. Yes there was a mini direct in January 2018 and a general in February 2019. But maybe things changed or Animal Crossing became their focus after Pokemon and the huge holiday season. Unless you were expecting a direct sometime earlier after September....

I get you want a general direct, like everyone here, but I think it’s an over exaggeration saying that Nintendo has been completely silent about future content for the Switch, first party or otherwise. Hopefully they will feel ready to show more info on upcoming games and hopefully the virus won’t get in the way of their release dates as analyst have warned.



We do know Metroid Prime 4 and Breath of the Wild 2 are in development, but neither of them are likely to launch in 2020. I'm guessing holiday 2021 at the earliest. For this year I could see a remaster, remake or collection and one other new game from Nintendo.



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I don't see much reason that BotW2 cannot release this year. This is a sequel, not a new game. The usual Zelda development span does not apply here.

No new game engine, no new combat engine, no new physics engine, no new A.I. engine. no new QA A.I. system, etc...

Very little new art assets, greatly enhanced code and system familiarity, QA A.I. script ready to go. And 3.5 years of dev time?

Seriously, what's a single, solid reason that prevents it from launching this Nov?



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SpokenTruth said:
I don't see much reason that BotW2 cannot release this year. This is a sequel, not a new game. The usual Zelda development span does not apply here.

No new game engine, no new combat engine, no new physics engine, no new A.I. engine. no new QA A.I. system, etc...

Very little new art assets, greatly enhanced code and system familiarity, QA A.I. script ready to go. And 3.5 years of dev time?

Seriously, what's a single, solid reason that prevents it from launching this Nov?

I think it's possible the coronavirus pandemic that's going on right now may prevent the Breath of the Wild sequel from arriving by this holiday season (if that's the planned release window for the game).