I think some of you are missing the point, intentional or not.

Yes, they are in the same market. Yes, they will influence each others performance.

If I buy new shiny IPad for Christmas , I probably won't buy a PS4 the same Christms.... but owning the iPad does not take away my desire or intention to own the PS4. 

Let's move away from arbitrary point scoring, the discussion beinghad is that switch owners are happy to have the platform co-exist as oppose to one replacing the other. Most people will either buy a PS4 or an Xbox, very few will buy both. This is direct competition.

If people are happy to have both then there is far less direct competition and the products can coexist. All evidence and logic implies this is the case for Switch ownership.

Semantics aside, this is all that is being said.

Seems like you don't know the concept of indirect competition and substitute products.

Because of course if one product can be a replacement (go check Porter competition) and it have a 99% discount it certainly will impact the sales of other products that is is indirect competition or replacement.

If houses had a 99% discount that would affect the purchase of several products because people would do impulse buy and would either them buy stuff for the house or not have as much money available for stuffs that aren't for that house. That doesn't mean house directly compete with PS4 or Switch.

I don't even know what you are arguing.  I am saying what I like, and you are telling me I am wrong to like that.

I really DID like PS1, PS2 and PS3.  I am not required to like Uncharted, GOW and TLU.  There were about 2000 games on the PS3.  Everyone likes something different.  And even from Sony publishing, they published a lot more than 3 titles on the PS3.  It's so they appeal to different tastes.  My favorite game that they published on the PS3 was Demon's Souls.  It was said to be a niche title at first and after a few years everyone is talking about Dark Souls and is using the phrase, "it's the Dark Souls of _____ games".  In previous generations they published things like Shadow of the Colossus and Legend of the Dragoon.  I tend to like the Japanese style games that they publish, especially when they make enough of them.

But Sony is moving further and further away from Japanese style games.  That is the direction I don't like.  Do I like Nintendo more?  Yes, right now I do.  It wasn't always that way, but yes, now Nintendo is a lot better, and Sony is getting worse and worse.  Sony is becoming more Western focused, and they have huge holes where Final Fantasy and Dark Souls used to be.  Are they going to do anything to make up for that?  That is what I am looking for.

Just personally, I also liked the PS3 but the PS4 doesn't really appeal to me that much, and I think it's cos the main games I really liked on PS3 were Uncharted 1-3, Resistance 1-3, and Killzone 3.

PS4 doesn't have any Resistance games, and Killzone Shadowfall was just awful, so that leaves Uncharted, and PS4 only has one of those versus 3 on PS3.

Erm that's a peculiar and awfully cynical way to look at it. It's a great complimentary console with a ton of great games. I have an Xb One, but that's really a complementary console too. If I ONLY had that console I'd definitely be missing the Nintendo stuff/2nd parties and portability, the same way I'd miss my Xb One for XBL, Gears, and the solid 3rd party stuff.

Edit: whoops I guess I should have scrolled a bit farther down to notice the sarcasm mention. Ha silly me. Still I'll keep my point b/c it's a relevant one :P

I kinda sorta have a "gaming pc" but it's from like 2013 so it's getting ever more limited with each passing week heh. I am thinking of bypassing the next Xbox (especially with the gamepass service compatibility with Windows) and just getting a new PC to go with my Nintendo console exclusively next gen.

A good friend of mine is also a major PC/Nintendo guy and basically has been in the 25 years I've known him. He's rarely touched a PS4 or XB controller as far as I've seen.

What has been your favourite games on PS4 other then Uncharted?

Yeah, that's completely fair, sometimes things dont hit the mark but would you put this down to a specific direction from Sony? I mean other than games taking longer to produce. 2/3 of those franchises didn't exist on PS2 (3/3 for most people) but the studios were given freedom to create them on PS3. On PS4 they moved to some new things again (Horizon, Spiderman) and in large we've seen a lot of new IPs published from them. More then anything sonys first parties are defined by contemporary experiences which are ever evolving. Looking at this year alone for example with Dreams, Ghost of Tsushima. Last year Days Gone & Death Stranding. They hit familiar beats with their biggest franchises but they also have a lot of experimentation in a generation. Some of it falls flat like The Order, but I think the approach was the same with PS3 and it will be the same with PS5. 

But I can see why someone might prefer them to go the Nintendo approach and prefee them to put 90% of their efforts into franchises they've already established of theres something particular you loved in their past.

Horizon does look pretty cool and if I had a PS4 I'd definitely pick it up, but stuff like Spiderman, Dreams, Ghost of Tsushima and Death Stranding just aren't my cup of tea.

It's working for nearly every game that ACTUALLY releases on switch. Those are more affected because the market made it clear that they'd rather buy a game on the switch if runs the same as other platforms.

While I do not own a PS4 or Xbox One, I'm definitely not "Switch only" either, as I'm also a retro gamer who routinely plays on older systems.

I don't think any one system could ever completely satisfy me. Variety's the spice of life.

Well lost legacy is almost a full game (and good at it) also we have the collection (I platined all 3 again =p )...

But yep not liking PS4 as much as PS3 because of these 3 franchises I can really understand, they were all in control of Sony and your reasoning is spot on.

On the case of Liquid the problem is that basically he is complaining about Sony needing to change, but the evidences he point are on 3rd party games.