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HollyGamer said:
Keiji said:

The guy is obviously mad at PlayStation 4's success, that's all. Still I don't understand why there are still people mad at PlayStation's success since PS1, PS2, PS4 are all major success, they should be used to.

The pain is real man.

Exactly. The man should be happy about Switch's success. But no, he needs to be mad PS4's sucess.

Imagine how he will be when PS4 will be above Game Boy.


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colafitte said:

18M is what they will aim and expect in my opinion, but I won't be surprised if it's even less than that this year in the end.

Switch is around 32m shipped and 3ds was around 29m shipped in the same time frame, and next year 3ds sales were not better that year even with yokai watch, Pokémon, luigi's mansion, monster hunter games that year.

People have to remember that when you launch a console in March, its 3rd calendar year has already around 6 or 7 months more than other consoles launched in the holiday season, so they already have much time in existence by the time. Switch is not going to go way up after so much time and so many games already. A flat year is more probable than a 20M+ year.

So, yes I voted 18M shipped. A very good number if it becames true. It will allow Switch still being one of the fastest consoles ever.

colafitte said:
Nu-13 said:

Already off to a bad start when talking about shipped as if they were sold through. Regular switch sales would have been higher in the absense of the lite (not a 1:1 ratio but still).

Not even close to 1:1, and no, i was not comparing shipped vs sold through. I said that Lite shipped 5M, so it should have sold to consumers, what?, 3M?, 4M? that means 15-16M units sold of regular Switch. Without Lite, how much more could have sold at 300$??, 2M-3M more??..., So yeah, there you have it, "fighting" to reach 18M units sold to consumers like i said....

zorg1000 said:

Just like the disappointing 2016 sales when the Slim & Pro models couldnt take PS4 over 17.5 million sold, only 100k higher than 2015.

PS4 2016 was kind of disappointing yes, but you're comparing a console 100$ more expensive against one 100$ cheaper, and PS4 Pro did not shipped 5M in 2016 like Switch Lite did in 2019. So yeah...., both were kind of disappointing but i feel Switch in 2019 has been more disapponting that PS4 in 2016, because how many people did expect around 19M in 2019 in the end???, Come on people, don't act as this is not a surprising (disappointing) number....

Hmm, it's literally what you expected but now it's all of a sudden a disappointment......



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Pinkie_pie said:
Nu-13 said:

If you're going to assume, don't make afirmative claims. You afirmed over 4m on shelves. And those few 100k don't matter in the slightest for the original discussion (that didn't even mention the switch, mind you).

And how would you know its not over 4 million on shelves? Dont make claims if you cant prove it to be true or not

I'm using vgc numbers and you're the one who started this. I didn't even mention the switch.



zorg1000 said:
colafitte said:

18M is what they will aim and expect in my opinion, but I won't be surprised if it's even less than that this year in the end.

Switch is around 32m shipped and 3ds was around 29m shipped in the same time frame, and next year 3ds sales were not better that year even with yokai watch, Pokémon, luigi's mansion, monster hunter games that year.

People have to remember that when you launch a console in March, its 3rd calendar year has already around 6 or 7 months more than other consoles launched in the holiday season, so they already have much time in existence by the time. Switch is not going to go way up after so much time and so many games already. A flat year is more probable than a 20M+ year.

So, yes I voted 18M shipped. A very good number if it becames true. It will allow Switch still being one of the fastest consoles ever.

colafitte said:

Not even close to 1:1, and no, i was not comparing shipped vs sold through. I said that Lite shipped 5M, so it should have sold to consumers, what?, 3M?, 4M? that means 15-16M units sold of regular Switch. Without Lite, how much more could have sold at 300$??, 2M-3M more??..., So yeah, there you have it, "fighting" to reach 18M units sold to consumers like i said....

PS4 2016 was kind of disappointing yes, but you're comparing a console 100$ more expensive against one 100$ cheaper, and PS4 Pro did not shipped 5M in 2016 like Switch Lite did in 2019. So yeah...., both were kind of disappointing but i feel Switch in 2019 has been more disapponting that PS4 in 2016, because how many people did expect around 19M in 2019 in the end???, Come on people, don't act as this is not a surprising (disappointing) number....

Hmm, it's literally what you expected but now it's all of a sudden a disappointment......

Thank you for the reminder..., but that was when??, in January 2019??? (and i always said that i made my predictions based on official announcments, so i didn't count then any price cuts of revisions), When the FY ended and started this new one, i said then that i was surprised about Switch performance and that Switch was doing better than i expected. That feeling lasted from March to October and November, the moment when i definitively made my prediction about Switch doing 20-20'5M units sold to consumers after Lite was announced.

The disappointment comes after knowing Normal Switch was 20% up YOY compared to 2018 during first half of 2019 before Lite was announced and that it would probably only sold around 10% more in the end (if Lite didn't existed and the 18M would become true).

What that post proves is that i was better at predicting at the end of 2018 and start of 2019 than i was months later or right now..... I need to stick more to my instincts it seems....

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Nu-13 said:
Pinkie_pie said:

And how would you know its not over 4 million on shelves? Dont make claims if you cant prove it to be true or not

I'm using vgc numbers and you're the one who started this. I didn't even mention the switch.

Lol vgchartz numbers. Yes you didnt mention the switch but I just find it weird that you only think ps4 is overshipped but never thought or mentioned the switch was overshipped 



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Pinkie_pie said:
Some people still doubting if ps4 can sell 120 million lifetime? It only needs to ship another 11 million and theres a good chance it can in 2020

I don't think anyone is doubting that. Personally I don't, what I do doubt however is the PS4 beating the PS2 and reaching 160 million units sold.

Of course that does not mean it can't, I just don't think it will, that's all.



Pinkie_pie said:
Nu-13 said:

I'm using vgc numbers and you're the one who started this. I didn't even mention the switch.

Lol vgchartz numbers. Yes you didnt mention the switch but I just find it weird that you only think ps4 is overshipped but never thought or mentioned the switch was overshipped 

Because the switch's shipments (while overshipped) are somewhat in line with it's sales.



What could it all mean? Sadly theres not much we can extrapolate from this information. Its all a mistery.





Nu-13 said:
thismeintiel said:

Agreed. 10M should be 100% doable this year. 11M-12M if there's a deep price cut. That would put it at ~119M-121M. Hard not to see it shipping another 10M in the 3 years after that.

Problem is that not only those sold through predictions are unrealistically optimistic, it also ignores actual sold through vs shipped logic. Ps4 sold around 106m by the end of 2019 and an old console will have less and less difference between shipped and sold through until discontinuation. Should expect something like 8-8.5m this year and exponential drops every year after that.

Nu-13, thats not unrealistic at all, to ship 11m in 2020 would be expected imo.
Neither is 10m more over 3years alot.

PS4 is still tracking ahead of the PS2 launch aligned.



Im not saying that will always be true, however the race isnt over yet, theres plenty of life and sales yet to come in the PS4.

"Should expect something like 8-8.5m this year and exponential drops every year after that." - Nu-13

You think it will go from 14,7m -> 8m ? (2019->2020)
Even if XB2 / PS5 launch at say 500$? and maybe PS4 gets a price cut? nah dude, thats too much of a nose dive.

I bet you ll be pleasently surprised end of 2020.
I'd expect it to do over 12m in 2020 (shipped).

"2019 is the 2nd biggest year ever for PlayStation with over $18.72B in Revenue"

^ 2019 was a "slow" year, end of console life cycle.
However next year, theres like a price cut + FF7R + TLoU p2 + CyberPunk 2077.

2020 will probably be alot like 2019 was, hardware sales wise.

*edit: 
That said I was wrong about 2019, I expected it to do like 15-16m.... however without a price cut just didnt happend.
2020 That has to happend, well before the PS5 launches.

Last edited by JRPGfan - on 04 February 2020