So those numbers you post, are forecasts for next fiscal year???, and what that has to do with that 2019 graph when in this Fiscal Year Sony and Microsoft have the costs of launching a next gen console?

I know those are revenue numbers, but the fact is that Sony still generates much more money than Nintendo, and that money can be spent in something else..., Just because Nintendo can or decides to have less costs doesn't mean it's more succesful and it definitively doesn't mean is better for us, the consumers. This is not just a race about who saves more money.

The thing that i want to say, is that more people want to spend money on a Sony ecosystem than in the other two, and that's just as good to consider as profits.

This means Sony  spends more in triple AAA 1st party games, 3rd party deals, better hardware, better game services and infraestructures, etc....I guess it works for Nintendo and their fans what they do, because people will always buy Marios, Zeldas and Pokemons, but i prefer what Sony, or Microsoft, does.

But i guess you can say profits is the most important thing and i would not be able to disagree with you because is the most rational thing to think so. Just giving my opinion on the matter.

Yeah, yeah i know how a FY works, like i said, for a moment i forgot we were in 2020....just a lapsus!!

And yes, most of the profit comes from that, but they attract people to spend on subcriptions because first, those companies have spent a lot on money in a service where people want to spend their money, and you can only spent money that you earn. And besides, Nintendo is trying to do the same with their online sub, they just can't compete in that regard yet, but the moment they can, they will put online and gaming services at 60$ per year like the other two.

The moment Nintendo will need to spend a lot in these things to not get that far behind the competion will see Nintendo having less profits too. I still think that what Nintendo is offering right now is going to become really obsolete in a year or two. We'll see what Nintendo will need to do then...

That's the attitude that allows console manufacturers to get away with it. "They must be investing a lot because it costs a lot to the customer."

But the reality is that Nintendo will have higher profits if they decide to charge more eventually. It already was that way for Sony and Microsoft, so it makes no sense to assume that it will be the opposite for Nintendo.

That's the attitude that allows console manufacturers to get away with it. "They must be investing a lot because it costs a lot to the customer."

But the reality is that Nintendo will have higher profits if they decide to charge more eventually. It already was that way for Sony and Microsoft, so it makes no sense to assume that it will be the opposite for Nintendo.

Nobody is pointing a gun at you to spend the money on those subs, so is just your decision. If you don't like it, don't support it with your wallet, and before you say there's really no other option, there's always one. And people in the end, spend their money in these things. The same can be said about MTX's, a lot of people shit on these things but the reality is that most people are OK with it. In my case, i've never put any € in any MTX ever, so....you can perfectly ignore it if you want to.

And yes, like i said, Nintendo will do the same the moment they can.

Now when we criticize Nintendo for selling their HW for profit unlike PS4 and X1 during the first half of their life, then the answer would be "Nintendo knows how to manage their money better", same for games that cost 1/10 of the ones developed by Sony and MS but sell for the same price and more quantity.

This same type of defense was done against DLC and other stuff until of course Nintendo started doing it.

You talked about 3 different things in your post and managed to be completely wrong on all of them. First of all, the most recent sony console (the ps4) was suposedly sold at a profit since launch. But this doesn't matter in the slightest because there's nothing to criticize about a business deciding on selling their product at a loss, profit or breaking even. I think I also remember seeing a comment from you when I lurked the foruns, claiming that nintendo had a $50 profit per switch at launch. A ridiculous statement without any evidence of course.

Sony reported that on launch they broke even with a game and ps+ sold, so nope they weren't supposedly sold at profit. Not sure if I claimed with any certainty that Switch was being sold with profit. What I may have claimed is that Nintendo have always looked to sell HW at profit, and possibly have looked at some estimate on the cost of parts to see the profit Nintendo may have had.

You will not find a single nintendo game costing 10% of similarly sized games from sony and MS and I find it laughable that you are trashtalking such a positive thing for nintendo. The industry has a standard $60 price for most games at launch. Nintendo develops their games with careful budgeting and extreme quality, so they sell and profit a lot without colossal development and marketing budgets. Only praise is deserved for that.

Find one Nintendo game with development cost of God of War or SpiderMan please. From what I remember posted here in VGC the most expensive game Nintendo have made was BotW costing something between 10-20M, which is very much less than most if not all AAA from Sony. And if you look at Wii or WiiU era the discrepancy is even bigger.

Nintendo started doing dlc, period. Not using dlc to screw consumers with crap like major day one dlc that's already on disc.

Yes yes sure, and if you weren't lurker you would be saying at the time Nintendo had no DLC that DLC itself was something bad companies do as done a very big portion of Nintendo fanbase at the time.

Nintendo managed to be praised for putting DLC through Amiibos and you want to pretend they don't screw customer over. They hold the 60USD price for like 5 years instead of 5 months but that is very much praised by userbase, on a game that sold much more and costed much less than basically all competitors.

You talked about 3 different things in your post and managed to be completely wrong on all of them. First of all, the most recent sony console (the ps4) was suposedly sold at a profit since launch. But this doesn't matter in the slightest because there's nothing to criticize about a business deciding on selling their product at a loss, profit or breaking even. I think I also remember seeing a comment from you when I lurked the foruns, claiming that nintendo had a $50 profit per switch at launch. A ridiculous statement without any evidence of course.

Sony reported that on launch they broke even with a game and ps+ sold, so nope they weren't supposedly sold at profit. Not sure if I claimed with any certainty that Switch was being sold with profit. What I may have claimed is that Nintendo have always looked to sell HW at profit, and possibly have looked at some estimate on the cost of parts to see the profit Nintendo may have had.

You will not find a single nintendo game costing 10% of similarly sized games from sony and MS and I find it laughable that you are trashtalking such a positive thing for nintendo. The industry has a standard $60 price for most games at launch. Nintendo develops their games with careful budgeting and extreme quality, so they sell and profit a lot without colossal development and marketing budgets. Only praise is deserved for that.

Find one Nintendo game with development cost of God of War or SpiderMan please. From what I remember posted here in VGC the most expensive game Nintendo have made was BotW costing something between 10-20M, which is very much less than most if not all AAA from Sony. And if you look at Wii or WiiU era the discrepancy is even bigger.

Nintendo started doing dlc, period. Not using dlc to screw consumers with crap like major day one dlc that's already on disc.

Yes yes sure, and if you weren't lurker you would be saying at the time Nintendo had no DLC that DLC itself was something bad companies do as done a very big portion of Nintendo fanbase at the time.

Nintendo managed to be praised for putting DLC through Amiibos and you want to pretend they don't screw customer over. They hold the 60USD price for like 5 years instead of 5 months but that is very much praised by userbase, on a game that sold much more and costed much less than basically all competitors.