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What do you think

Yes 2 6.06%
 
I fully agree 9 27.27%
 
100% Microsoft will win this generation 1 3.03%
 
I hope Xbox will win this generation 2 6.06%
 
Corona Virus will win in the end 2 6.06%
 
No, I don't think Microso... 17 51.52%
 
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HollyGamer said:

Game pass haven't made any impact because it's just 2 years

2nd it's not mainstream yet

3rd it's only game pass who does it,  nothing as big game pass provided the same service except  PS now which is not Sony focus right now

So which is it, has it not made any impact or has it convinced you that it will lead to the death of the industry? How strange to try and argue that it can be both. Also it's very much mainstream. Lastly it's not really just GamePass that does it. There are other gaming subscription services. Microsoft does some things differently, like putting their new releases in there day one. But subscription gaming is nothing new and even if it were, it would just be a copy of Netflix.

You are aware that movie studios still make Bluray and DVD movies, right? Music studios still put out CD's and even records are coming back. This is all while having many streaming services and also free access in many places.



HollyGamer said:

4rth Movie =/= with games

5th Movie price =/= game price

6th game budget often goes big and take a lot of time 

Also subscription allow exclusivity among the game publisher if they provided their own service 

Gonna be honest, idk what any of this is trying to mean. Also, movies have big budgets too.

EA and Ubi have subscription services and have no exclusives. You're arguing against your own points you're trying to make. You say game budgets often go big and take a long time. So why would a game studio then limit access to that game to just a subscription service? Doesn't make sense.



HollyGamer said:

Also Game Pass right now just using old games not new fresh content and most of the title are old, this will change when people start to choose subs model (which i hope not)

Sounds like you don't need GamePass to devalue games, you already do it plenty yourself. Viewpoints like this are exactly why services like GamePass can be a success. Games that are half a year old are already viewed by people with your type of mentality as "old" games and not something to be valued. Either way you're wrong, GamePass has lots of titles that launch on the service, and the AAA stuff on there has routinely been newer stuff.

HollyGamer said:

Yes there will be hardware there will be physical media, but physical media will be expensives and limited, and the quality will be not as good when developer still provided direct sales.  

Uh... fucking what? lol.

Again, where does any of this make business sense? Why would a company spend money to make physical versions of something and then price it too high? Why haven't movie or music studios started making prices for their products super high to make people go digital?



HollyGamer said:

That's why game pass will be hard to implement if  Microsoft really serious  trying to disrupt gaming in general by bring new title . game will be cheap and directly evaluate quality and price.

Another argument with zero business sense or logic. "hey subscribe to our service, the games suck!".

Don't ignore what I said about the quality of content on all the streaming services we have right now. Most of the best content you can consume right now comes from these subscription services you claim will lead to shitty content. Again, as a consumer, I don't see how that's a bad thing. Hey there's this thing that looks great. I want to watch it. I hate that it exists. Doesn't make sense.

HollyGamer said:

But if Gamepass is trying to be normal and won't replace old way of owning games then game pass will  just be an add on, it will not be a game changer nor a revolution nor a selling point. Gamepass will just be a something gamer can look . And i hope this is the case because i prefer owning games and many people still prefer this . But again this a wild card for microsoft they are trying to win a lot of gamer  by destroying game industries and devalue the price and at the same time bringing down , budget and  the quality of games. Because who want to make games for, unless the game publisher prived the money for game developer and shareholder will be left empty and goes bankrupt .  

So then everything you just wrote doesn't apply? Nice.



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Azzanation said:

You act like devs cannot make good games with current specs, so i guess games like TLOU2 isnt going to be great due to the limitations of the PS4s jag cores which run at an even slower clock speed than base X1.

Heck the best Halo games were made on even weaker CPUs. I never understand this logic.

TloU 2 will be great, maybe the best game on this generation. In comparison with next gen games, not so much.



KingofTrolls said:
Azzanation said:

You act like devs cannot make good games with current specs, so i guess games like TLOU2 isnt going to be great due to the limitations of the PS4s jag cores which run at an even slower clock speed than base X1.

Heck the best Halo games were made on even weaker CPUs. I never understand this logic.

TloU 2 will be great, maybe the best game on this generation. In comparison with next gen games, not so much.

See that’s where it gets grey. You talking about the game making the most out of the next gen tech. But “best game” to many, arguably more people, is the quality of said game.

LOU 2 can get a metacritic of 95 and it could get a remastered PS5 version. Put it beside a PS5 exclusive that was natively made for the platform with a metacritic of 75...and your argument sounds a little silly. LOU2 will still very much be considered the best game by the masses despite being a PS4 game first. 



Xbox: Best hardware, Game Pass best value, best BC, more 1st party genres and multiplayer titles. 

 

sales2099 said:

1.Didn’t seem to be for Zelda BOTW. Like Xbox One, people were kinda ready to dump the WiiU when the next gen hit.
2.But MS won’t screw over late adopters either, those who aren’t ready to make the early transition. Halo is better when it’s available to more people.

3.Even the Pc version won’t really affect console sales because they buyers are PC gamers with no want to buy an Xbox. If Halo Reach sold 2 million week 1 on PC as a ten year old game, I wonder what Infinite can do.

4.Nevermind the marketing campaign has yet to kick in. This is a launch flagship title. It will have its own themed console. You have choice, but the marketing will make sure you want to play it on the next gen Xbox. 

5.Unless you talking about XB1 limiting the potential of the Series X version. In which case I don’t think it affects the quality of the game. Series X will still be the best version and more convenient for gamers who have yet to get a expensive gaming PC. 

6.Finally, I’ll say that when Sony inevitably brings Last of Us2 to PS5, because why not, I seriously doubt gamers will care that it’s hindered by its PS4 counterpart. Same goes for GTA5...gamers REALLY didn’t care it was hindered by its last gen versions lol. 

1. BOTW is anything but a technical milestone. In PS/X/PC sphere, the power matters.

2.Bigger userbase has nothing to do with the quality of the game.

3. I have personally jumped into 360 back in the days solely for exclusives. And I got a very decent PC that time.

4. So why even bother with X1? Especially with XSX being more powerful and expensive, Halo should be a looker that shows that.

Worst case scenario is that the game will run like shit on base X1 and XSX version will be underwhelming in comparison with multiplats or Sony games etc.

5.I'm talking about it and YES, it will directly affect the quality of the game. John Linneman said it plain and simple. Also, it is not like one dev is doing HI for X1 and the other on XSX on different engine etc. If that would be the case, the issue would be non existent really.

6. Remasters of the older titles, not launch-day AAA exclusives. Sony is bringing big guns here, better for MS if you are right.



 
LudicrousSpeed said:

So which is it, has it not made any impact or has it convinced you that it will lead to the death of the industry? How strange to try and argue that it can be both. Also it's very much mainstream. Lastly it's not really just GamePass that does it. There are other gaming subscription services. Microsoft does some things differently, like putting their new releases in there day one. But subscription gaming is nothing new and even if it were, it would just be a copy of Netflix.

You are aware that movie studios still make Bluray and DVD movies, right? Music studios still put out CD's and even records are coming back. This is all while having many streaming services and also free access in many places.


Yes it can be both, but if it's both then Gamepass will just be a regular service for Xbox, nothing great nothing special and it will change nothing or add nothing to Industries . It will be just a regular service that even Playstation can do or Nintendo can do. So there is no point of game pass.


LudicrousSpeed said:

Gonna be honest, idk what any of this is trying to mean. Also, movies have big budgets too.

EA and Ubi have subscription services and have no exclusives. You're arguing against your own points you're trying to make. You say game budgets often go big and take a long time. So why would a game studio then limit access to that game to just a subscription service? Doesn't make sense.

Movies also has budget too, but Movie can only be enjoy one time and extremely less on replayability. Games are not equal with Movies. Movies are not interactive and not complicated like making games.

LudicrousSpeed said:

Sounds like you don't need GamePass to devalue games, you already do it plenty yourself. Viewpoints like this are exactly why services like GamePass can be a success. Games that are half a year old are already viewed by people with your type of mentality as "old" games and not something to be valued. Either way you're wrong, GamePass has lots of titles that launch on the service, and the AAA stuff on there has routinely been newer stuff.

That's the point, the games already devalue them self. Adding game pass as "mainstream" will hasten the process. Like I said that happen if Microsoft trying to make it fully free and kill the normal payment method  and traditional method

LudicrousSpeed said:

Uh... fucking what? lol.

Again, where does any of this make business sense? Why would a company spend money to make physical versions of something and then price it too high? Why haven't movie or music studios started making prices for their products super high to make people go digital?

 

The less people buy hardware and physical  , the less product to be produce and create rarity in the market. It will inflate the price 

LudicrousSpeed said:

Another argument with zero business sense or logic. "hey subscribe to our service, the games suck!".

Don't ignore what I said about the quality of content on all the streaming services we have right now. Most of the best content you can consume right now comes from these subscription services you claim will lead to shitty content. Again, as a consumer, I don't see how that's a bad thing. Hey there's this thing that looks great. I want to watch it. I hate that it exists. Doesn't make sense.

The games suck because game company don't want to spend money on creating big budget title, due to people will just pay one dollar on subscription or worse. Game company are not renting it. They one to sell it

LudicrousSpeed said:

  So then everything you just wrote doesn't apply? Nice.

It depends where you choose to be. Are you hoping Microsoft to gain advantage from game pass then Microsoft will surely kill triple A games . But if you are hoping it will not change and physical games will have normal price and normal ownership methode then gamepass don't add up anything and it will just a normal service that people can get on Playstation. Because the point of Gamepass is to steal Sony market and invite casual to joint Xbox  and there is no point if People still buying physical games.





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Pemalite said:
HollyGamer said:

PC Play

Erik lists the fact that Xbox exclusives being on PC is a disadvantage, and yet I think you can easily see that as a perk, the fact that every Xbox exclusive you buy, you get a second, free copy on PC. Yes, you can say “why buy an Xbox when you just need a gaming PC?” and yet the vast majority of gamers can’t afford a $1K+ gaming PC, but would rather just stick with a hugely powerful $500 console. Additionally, Sony seems to be slowly realizing the wisdom of bringing exclusives to PC as well. Perhaps well after release, but that seems likely to expand in the future.

* Falsely Assumes all Gaming PC's are $1k+
* Assumes people would rather stick to a gaming console. (Obviously ignoring how massive the PC is!)

Yeah not all people has 1K USD gaming PC, agree with that. It's just PC parts prices due to times will slowly go down and many parts will be cheap. PC gamers will able to buy new hardware to upgrade. Or build a new one 



sales2099 said:

See that’s where it gets grey. You talking about the game making the most out of the next gen tech. But “best game” to many, arguably more people, is the quality of said game.

LOU 2 can get a metacritic of 95 and it could get a remastered PS5 version. Put it beside a PS5 exclusive that was natively made for the platform with a metacritic of 75...and your argument sounds a little silly. LOU2 will still very much be considered the best game by the masses despite being a PS4 game first. 

Please understand - we will both  laugh at PS4 and X1 soon. I bought a Pro and since that day PS4 Amateur became non existent for me, and Im sure as fuck that we will agree with ourselves, perhaps in the November this year.

Edit - PS5 remasters:

PS4 remaster of TloU looks like Nintendo game in comparison to Horizon and God of War.



I really wish Microsoft would be successful. I don't like them as a company, I hate Windows, have switch to Mac and never looked back, but the Xbox 360 was a huge thing for me, my first HD console, with one of the best if not the best controller ever, the ps3 was a huge disappointment because it came a year later when I had already experience so many great games in HD back then, Mass effect, Oblivion, Gears of War, Fable 2, Forza 3, table tennis, Ghost recon, rainbow six vegas, Dead rising, the godfather, test drive unlimited, just cause, Prey and many more, definitely the best year in gaming I can remember from the past 30 years, and all due to xbox 360. Ps3 on the other hand had a terrible controller without rumble, no good games for a long time, it was a lot more expensive.

Fast forward to 2013 and Sony learned from their mistakes and launched a console cheaper than the xbox, yet more powerful, and we didn't have to wait a year for it. And it launched with my favourite game from this entire generation from all platforms, Resogun. Controller was vastly improved, in fact more comfortable for me than xbox (minus the joysticks which I prefer on xbox).

PS4 also had a replaceable HDD, the touchpad which was amazing even if just for a map button, no external power supply, and the OS was way better than xbox One. Best of all, sony had the best way to install games, xbox was terrible, you couldn't play a game while it was installing, you couldn't play and download updates on background, in fact you needed internet just to setup the console or else you couldn't even play it at all. Also I thought the design was bad compared to the ps4.

So my choice was PS4, I do not do companies, I buy the best products for my money, couldn't care less who makes the product.

Microsoft tried to fight and I ended up buying an xbox X, I thought it was the best piece of hardware I've ever seen, smaller than PCs, smaller than the pro, yet quieter than PCs and any other consoles, even quieter than a switch, with a 4K bluray player, and high quality materials. And there's plenty good exclusives on it, such as Recore, Quantum break, Mass effect trilogy, Gears 5, Forza Horizon series and more, the problem I see is I do not play online, and Microsoft seems to cater more for online games, example, PUBG, Sea of thieves, Titanfall, those could have been great games if they had a good single player campaign. So, despite all this power, I tended to prefer the ps4 due to Spiderman, God of war, Last of Us, Bloodborne, Uncharted 4, Death stranding, Horizon zero dawn, persona 5.

The biggest Microsoft mistake by far was not to jump into VR, it made my ps4 pro way more valuable than xbox, VR was like being back to the 90s when we switched from 2d to 3d games, it was magical, still is and sony is supporting it a lot, there's way more games than I ever imagine.

And just like the last 2 generations, it seems this generation Microsoft has abandoned their console early, besides Ori there's nothing great coming in the future, unlike PS4 which will still be supported a lot in the future.

All of this shows in sales where PS4 has been outselling 3:1 and even 4:1 of xbox for years now.

Now, from what we know from next gen, I am happy with what I know of xbox, it looks quality, looks like there will be proper cooling BUT its Microsoft again, so my choice is going to be Sony because I know sony will support the console with great single player games and VR content.

My point is, ps5 will outsell the xbox series X by far, because the general public knows that in the end playstations always get the greatest exclusives, also because its going to play ps4 games, and most people have ps4s so they'd rather buy something that can play games they already own.

In fact in my circle of gamer friends I know of no one who wants the next xbox (I'm in Europe), all of them are planning to get the ps5, in fact I know of no one with xbox now, the ones that had one have sold to get a ps4 around the time that spiderman came out, so in my opinion ps5 will sell 3:1 of the xbox, after the launch period. I hope I'm wrong but I think the next xbox will be a flop, even worse than the current one and I love my X. If you turn your console into a PC and then put all exclusives on the PC and also do not give any exclusive to the series X as those will be available on xbox X too, then either the fans wont upgrade or they will just build a PC.

Sony better step up and build a lot, because that thing is going to be flying off the shelves, better not run out of stock. Sony just needs to keep doing what they are doing, great single player exclusives, backwards compatibility with PS4, and do not turn it into a PC and its guaranteed success.



KingofTrolls said:
sales2099 said:

See that’s where it gets grey. You talking about the game making the most out of the next gen tech. But “best game” to many, arguably more people, is the quality of said game.

LOU 2 can get a metacritic of 95 and it could get a remastered PS5 version. Put it beside a PS5 exclusive that was natively made for the platform with a metacritic of 75...and your argument sounds a little silly. LOU2 will still very much be considered the best game by the masses despite being a PS4 game first. 

Please understand - we will both  laugh at PS4 and X1 soon. I bought a Pro and since that day PS4 Amateur became non existent for me, and Im sure as fuck that we will agree with ourselves, perhaps in the November this year.

Edit - PS5 remasters:

PS4 remaster of TloU looks like Nintendo game in comparison to Horizon and God of War.

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You side stepped the point I made with the meta scores. We live in an elitist bubble in forums, these views don’t represent the masses. The masses don’t care about power so much as quality. Not like the Series X version gonna look like a Switch version lol

I’m just saying that while we may move on quick, it’s the better thing to not screw over late adopters who don’t want to upgrade yet and thus exclude them. 

And don’t be modest, LOU on PS4 is a gem. 

Last edited by sales2099 - on 30 January 2020

Xbox: Best hardware, Game Pass best value, best BC, more 1st party genres and multiplayer titles. 

 

sales2099 said:
KingofTrolls said:

TloU 2 will be great, maybe the best game on this generation. In comparison with next gen games, not so much.

See that’s where it gets grey. You talking about the game making the most out of the next gen tech. But “best game” to many, arguably more people, is the quality of said game.

LOU 2 can get a metacritic of 95 and it could get a remastered PS5 version. Put it beside a PS5 exclusive that was natively made for the platform with a metacritic of 75...and your argument sounds a little silly. LOU2 will still very much be considered the best game by the masses despite being a PS4 game first. 

Then you are assuming that for a game to be good it needs to be technically impressive. A game like breath of the wild is good not because it pushes polygons or some crazzy AI. A game like God of War is also not good because its the prettiest. Thouse games  are good for the experience they give, the gameplay mechanics, the story and whatever else any dev wants to offer with any game. Games like god of war and eventually the last of us part 2 will be amazing because of many things including their graphical fidelity. When games on ps5 come out that beat it in graphics, wich in no doubt will pretty soon, does not mean they are better, they could have worse stories, worst gameplay or just plain boring but will look nicer or have a mechanic that while not possible on previous consoles, still wont make the game any good. A good example is Assassins creed 5. But I sure would love for them to try new things even if they dont meet expectations.

So more power will not make a game better, you are right about that but more power lets devs experiment with things that might make the game better, like Horizon zero dawn where not able to  implement flight due to lack of power, theres a good chance that could have improved the game and we will see about that when they make the sequel. 



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