SvennoJ said:
EricHiggin said:
USA also has way more people, and much more freedom right now, at least in some places.
What good are the vaccinations when vaxed are still getting it and potentially spreading it? What's the point in ending the pandemic with vaccines if they don't help enough to stop the spread? Sagaar of Breaking Points recently contracted it and is rightfully questioning the numbers considering he's been double vaxed as well, like so many others. How many more mutations will there be and how long until the vax no longer gives any immunity to a new strain? What then?
Two of my friends have been double vaxed and yet one got covid last week and was quite sick so they tell me. The majority of my friends haven't gotten vaxed and none of them have been sick for over a year now and nobody really followed the guidelines much. The one guy who got covid earlier this year at my bros work got double vaxed after, and had covid again about a month ago. Yet even though he was clearly sick for a couple days at work the first time, none of the other 25 workers at the shop got sick, and they don't exactly adhere strongly to social distancing and masking. Same as the more recent covid case. He started showing symptoms while at work for hours before he went home yet nobody else got sick.
Getting every last person vaxed isn't going to solve this since the vax clearly doesn't stop enough people from contracting it. It's even worse because some of the vaxed feel more safe even though they're not, making the spread even more likely. Having everyone wear masks all the time isn't enough either. Not to mention the news has made sure to let people know that animals, pets especially, can contract and spread covid. Are we going to vax and mask all the wildlife?
We either lockdown on an unthinkable level for a long time with people wearing hazmat suits when they have to go out, or we learn to live with it until perhaps there is a better vaccine or treatment. Even then, it may not be enough.
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The way to get rid of it is if everyone locks down for real, at the same time, for 2 weeks. Covid gone. However that kind of coordination on a global scale proves to be impossible for the human race. New Zealand is the only place that managed to pull it off by actually being strict at the border. However I see they have fallen as well now, people simply don't listen. (There's still a chance they make it, not holding my breath, Australia is still going up) So China is the last place where people are made to listen :/ They have outbreaks, they lock everyone up in the area, outbreaks die quickly.
It's a shame people cannot cooperate on a simple task like getting rid of a clear and present danger. Means global warming has no chance of ever being taken seriously.
So indeed, we have to live with it somehow. Which means we need more hospital beds, more doctors, more sick leaf, more sick pay, more disability funds for long covid, and still local measures not to let things spiral out of control. It doesn't matter whether we try to get rid of it through vaccines and social distancing or try to live with it, going back to pre pandemic life is simply not an option anymore.
Maybe it will get better over the years as endemic immunity gets stronger and kids get vaccinated for covid the same as for other infectious diseases early on. Covid should lose its fangs over time and perhaps become another strong flu that only kills the elderly :/ Better treatment will come over time as well, but we'll need to invest in hospitals to get there. First we need to stop doing idiotic things like keeping people crammed in the airport for hours for 'safety'. Go play FS2020 if you want to fly somewhere :)
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SvennoJ said:
@EricHiggin There it is, as you said tic toc, flip flop
https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/ontario-will-unveil-covid-19-vaccine-passport-system-next-week-source-confirms-1.5563835
The introduction of a vaccine certificate system would mark a significant reversal for Ford, who previously rejected the idea, saying he doesn't want to create a "split society."
Ontario's Ministry of Health reiterated that sentiment this week, denying that the province was working on a vaccine certificate program.
The update comes just hours after Prime Minister Justin Trudeau called on Ford to “step up” when it comes to vaccine certificates.
They can shove the election up their collective A-holes, not going near any spreader voting events.
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There's no way to lockdown in any manner where covid will die off entirely, especially if pets or wildlife can contract and spread it. The coordination problem just proves that the people on top worldwide are either idiots or up to no good. Neither are acceptable.
You can't keep pushing global warming while constantly contradicting yourself (not you). People see this and assume you're either a liar or have an agenda. Just like how you can't push a pandemic while letting record numbers of immigrants into your country. People see this and assume they're leadership are either idiots or being nefarious. Any of this going on just leads to even bigger problems.
More useful healthcare I don't think many would argue with. Being short on beds seems like it's been way to common of a problem most places for a very long time. More transparency into treatments and why they aren't being offered or held back, and whether they should be available or not, is something that could be greatly beneficial as well.
Yup. I'm not sure whether this is just Ford playing politics or not though. Last election Sheer was constantly barking at Ford to go hide because they thought he was losing votes for them, which was nonsense, Scheer just sucked, period. Ford has been staying out of the limelight lately yet has been somewhat more liberal as of recently, which fits nicely with Mr O'Toole and his campaign. If it's not that, then things are mostly going to plan and the reset is still in play. Hopefully it's just politics for now. Papers please, is not something many will tolerate for long, especially those who had no choice but to fight covid early on and are now naturally immune. Trying to segregate, especially the immune, is a recipe for serious trouble.
Not sure what Trudeau was thinking calling an election now. Only thing that makes sense to me is his party is pretty sure things are going to get much worse over the next year in which case they would lose big then, so best to take a shot now and hope for reelection, which I wouldn't be surprised they get. O'Toole is better than Scheer but he doesn't seem much better than JT. If JT loses it'll be because of negativity towards him and not positivity towards O'Toole.
