sethnintendo said: Going for that 100k a day record. You guys from other nations jealous of us Americans yet? No... Well shit |
Well,it's very amicable for all the other countries that they have the habit of wanting to be first in everything.
sethnintendo said: Going for that 100k a day record. You guys from other nations jealous of us Americans yet? No... Well shit |
Well,it's very amicable for all the other countries that they have the habit of wanting to be first in everything.
sethnintendo said: Going for that 100k a day record. You guys from other nations jealous of us Americans yet? No... Well shit |
Fun fact: Europe, which has a population of over twice the US, is doing around 15k daily cases. That is while most European countries have almost fully opened up again.
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vivster said:
Fun fact: Europe, which has a population of over twice the US, is doing around 15k daily cases. That is while most European countries have almost fully opened up again. |
Russia and Spain are ~8000 of that.
Ukraine + Romania (eastern europe) make up another ~2k.
Spain is haveing a 2nd wave it looks like..... this virus man.
Its again spreading, and not dropping.
JRPGfan said:
Russia and Spain are ~8000 of that. |
Well, it is not gonna stop until there is a vaccine, more waves are bound to happen and will be a necessary evil to retain a more normal living. We can't all play on super easy mode like New Zealand.
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vivster said:
Well, it is not gonna stop until there is a vaccine, more waves are bound to happen and will be a necessary evil to retain a more normal living. We can't all play on super easy mode like New Zealand. |
Spain needs to roll back somethings or do something to again get Rt under 1.
Not a full lockdown, but it needs to do something to off set this, so it doesnt get worse.
EricHiggin said: Ok, so you want people to do things a certain way because of covid, that will benefit you so you can keep doing what you're doing, and that's what gives you the moral high ground? |
Don't try and twist the narrative to fit into your own agenda.
It's not about me, it's most certainly not about even you... It's about society as a whole. - As in, collectively.
Yes I am an essential worker, I was essential before the lockdowns, during and after.
But if the situation was different and I wasn't an essential worker, I would still support closing the economy to save lives, I have empathy for other people and a functioning society as a whole.
EricHiggin said: All people are not the same. For all you know, I may be asymptomatic, or may have antibodies, so others 'doing their part', may be a complete waste of their time. In fact, the poorer communication with other employees or customers could very well create problems, because at times, it does. Do you risk removing masks to make sure vital information is crystal clear, potentially spreading or contracting the illness, or do you waste precious time, or hope for the best and potentially get someone inured or killed because something wasn't comprehensible? |
Again, you are only thinking about yourself.
Speaking with a P1/P2 mask on isn't difficult, so that's a bullshit excuse... You forget (and excuse the selfie) I wear this (Which is far more restrictive) and communicate just fine. It's literally air tight.
But apparently a few seconds of your time is worth more than the health and well-being of another human being? This is why I am me and you are you and we likely have very different lifestyles.
EricHiggin said: If I said all drivers of the general public should pull off to the side of the road for me when on my way to a potentially life threatening emergency call, would that be a reasonable and justifiable request? By doing so, would that now give me higher moral standards, because I'm willing to inconvenience all those drivers for someone else's good, potentially helping to save lives? Would it really be much of an inconvenience at all? Why isn't that a thing then if what I do is so essential? If shutting power down to others in the area is a justified inconvenience to complete the work, why not drivers on the way to the outage? |
It's actually the law for vehicles to pull over to the side of the road here to allow emergency service vehicles to pass unrestricted.
Which makes your argument entirely baseless.
EricHiggin said: If I don't personally choose to function at that essential work for whatever reason, then the work doesn't get done, and people don't receive those services, so personal opinions and choices do matter. If I'm willing to do the job regardless of whether or not others are masked up etc, does this put me higher or lower on the morality scale? |
No. Personal opinions and choices do not matter.
If you are not an essential worker, then your line of work isn't "essential" for society to remain functional, thus your job can be put on stand-by with government support in order to protect other lives.
Morality has absolutely nothing to do with it, this isn't religion, it's common sense stuff.
EricHiggin said: If a qualified leader were to tell the public not to bother wearing masks, because unknowingly to the public, there was a shortage and some health care workers were more at risk at work, would that leader have the moral high ground? What if just one citizen died, because they thought it made sense to wear a mask, but took that professional leaders advice/opinion not to instead, contracting the illness by inhaling it? In this situation, which happened in the US, an all lives matter equally approach could not be taken, unless the leadership wanted to leave life and death up to chance. The lock down itself led to other non covid related death. Once you've made the choice to choose what's best for everyone, you've already lost, because you will always be favoring some lives over others. That's why people need to be free to choose as much as reasonably possible. |
Health care and emergency services should have substantial "caches" of PPE in order to draw from.
If they do not, then that is a failure on planning from elected officials. (I.E. Trumps political party.)
And no. People should not be "free" to choose to do whatever they desire, whenever they desire if it puts someone elses life at risk, that's not how you build a cohesive, civil society... And if the United States is an example of anything, it's that allowing a free-for-all has turned the entire nation into the epicenter of disease, death and often a joke on the world stage. (I.E. Gun related massacres.)
The USA isn't "great" at the moment, it's basically educating the world on what "not to do".
Basically what you are proposing is that... A parent should be allowed to drop their COVID-positive child off at daycare, because they have to work, to spread disease, the other 100+ parents aren't "free" to say "no" to that and protect their COVID-negative children, you put that one child above all the others.
If the economy is so important though, why not just keep everyone in lockdown and just kill a few rich people to boost the economy? You will have more GDP per Deaths that way.
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vivster said:
Not sure where you get your information that nobody is sharing infos about vaccines. We are not even at a point where we could produce one so how in the world is it justified to spy on anyone? Also, hell yes, we can blame Russia. They have no friends because they've been complete assholes to everyone for the past decades. Your support for a criminal country doing criminal things feels really weird and misplaced here. |
Honesty, at this point I don't care who gets the vaccine first or HOW they get it. Russians are not saints, Chinese are not saints, and certainly Americans are not saints. I don't care if they have to spy on each other 24/7. I just want the damn thing figured out for now; then we can go back to kill other over the most stupid little things.
chakkra said:
Honesty, at this point I don't care who gets the vaccine first or HOW they get it. Russians are not saints, Chinese are not saints, and certainly Americans are not saints. I don't care if they have to spy on each other 24/7. I just want the damn thing figured out for now; then we can go back to kill other over the most stupid little things. |
One might think that spying on each other and wasting precious time on cyber defense is not the best way to get a vaccine fast.
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SpokenTruth said: 7/17 Charts:
And it's getting bad for a lot of places now too. South Africa suddenly has the 6th highest number of cases in the world. Go back 1 month and they weren't even close to being on our charts at all. Colombia has come from nowhere and moved onto the death charts and will be on the case chart in 2 days. The No Active Cases chart has dropped from 29 to 14. |
Things are bad in South Africa.
Their health system was already near run down and collapsed, before the coronavirus.
Theres now lack of ppe, lack of medicin, lack of oxygen, lack of workers (nurses/doctors).
from the mirror.uk :
"Nurses have been acting at cleaners at overstretched hospitals where unborn babies have reportedly died in understaffed maternity wards."
"Livingstone and Dora Nginza hospitals in Port Elizabeth, South Africa has been enduring an increasingly severe staff shortage "
"The impact on the Eastern Cape city of Port Elizabeth, where only two infectious disease doctors care for seven million people in the broader district, has been devastating."
"The main Covid-19 hospital, Livingstone, has come to resemble scenes "like a war zone""
"Blood and other medical waste has been spilled over surfaces and not cleaned up."
"Patient welfare has also been badly impacted by a shortage of ambulances, no ventilation and a lack of oxygen. In one particularly grim photo taken at Livingstone rats can be seen drinking what is presumably human blood from a drain."
"...reports that patients had been "fighting for oxygen" supplies in a ward at Livingstone Hospital in Port Elizabeth."
When you dont have staff, so giveing child birth is killing mothers and their babies.
Something that wouldn't have happended before corona virus.
You have sick people that need oxygen masks/tanks, and have them and their familes, fighting others, for air!