Coronavirus (COVID-19) Discussion Thread

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EricHiggin said:

Ok, so you want people to do things a certain way because of covid, that will benefit you so you can keep doing what you're doing, and that's what gives you the moral high ground?

Don't try and twist the narrative to fit into your own agenda.

It's not about me, it's most certainly not about even you... It's about society as a whole. - As in, collectively.
Yes I am an essential worker, I was essential before the lockdowns, during and after.

But if the situation was different and I wasn't an essential worker, I would still support closing the economy to save lives, I have empathy for other people and a functioning society as a whole.

EricHiggin said:

All people are not the same. For all you know, I may be asymptomatic, or may have antibodies, so others 'doing their part', may be a complete waste of their time. In fact, the poorer communication with other employees or customers could very well create problems, because at times, it does. Do you risk removing masks to make sure vital information is crystal clear, potentially spreading or contracting the illness, or do you waste precious time, or hope for the best and potentially get someone inured or killed because something wasn't comprehensible?

Again, you are only thinking about yourself.
Speaking with a P1/P2 mask on isn't difficult, so that's a bullshit excuse... You forget (and excuse the selfie) I wear this (Which is far more restrictive) and communicate just fine. It's literally air tight.

But apparently a few seconds of your time is worth more than the health and well-being of another human being? This is why I am me and you are you and we likely have very different lifestyles.

EricHiggin said:

If I said all drivers of the general public should pull off to the side of the road for me when on my way to a potentially life threatening emergency call, would that be a reasonable and justifiable request? By doing so, would that now give me higher moral standards, because I'm willing to inconvenience all those drivers for someone else's good, potentially helping to save lives? Would it really be much of an inconvenience at all? Why isn't that a thing then if what I do is so essential? If shutting power down to others in the area is a justified inconvenience to complete the work, why not drivers on the way to the outage?

It's actually the law for vehicles to pull over to the side of the road here to allow emergency service vehicles to pass unrestricted.

Which makes your argument entirely baseless.

EricHiggin said:

If I don't personally choose to function at that essential work for whatever reason, then the work doesn't get done, and people don't receive those services, so personal opinions and choices do matter. If I'm willing to do the job regardless of whether or not others are masked up etc, does this put me higher or lower on the morality scale?

No. Personal opinions and choices do not matter.

If you are not an essential worker, then your line of work isn't "essential" for society to remain functional, thus your job can be put on stand-by with government support in order to protect other lives.

Morality has absolutely nothing to do with it, this isn't religion, it's common sense stuff.

EricHiggin said:

If a qualified leader were to tell the public not to bother wearing masks, because unknowingly to the public, there was a shortage and some health care workers were more at risk at work, would that leader have the moral high ground? What if just one citizen died, because they thought it made sense to wear a mask, but took that professional leaders advice/opinion not to instead, contracting the illness by inhaling it? In this situation, which happened in the US, an all lives matter equally approach could not be taken, unless the leadership wanted to leave life and death up to chance. The lock down itself led to other non covid related death. Once you've made the choice to choose what's best for everyone, you've already lost, because you will always be favoring some lives over others. That's why people need to be free to choose as much as reasonably possible.

Health care and emergency services should have substantial "caches" of PPE in order to draw from.
If they do not, then that is a failure on planning from elected officials. (I.E. Trumps political party.)

And no. People should not be "free" to choose to do whatever they desire, whenever they desire if it puts someone elses life at risk, that's not how you build a cohesive, civil society... And if the United States is an example of anything, it's that allowing a free-for-all has turned the entire nation into the epicenter of disease, death and often a joke on the world stage. (I.E. Gun related massacres.)
The USA isn't "great" at the moment, it's basically educating the world on what "not to do".

Basically what you are proposing is that... A parent should be allowed to drop their COVID-positive child off at daycare, because they have to work, to spread disease, the other 100+ parents aren't "free" to say "no" to that and protect their COVID-negative children, you put that one child above all the others.

If the economy is so important though, why not just keep everyone in lockdown and just kill a few rich people to boost the economy? You will have more GDP per Deaths that way.