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I would like it, if for once, I turn on the TV to watch a journalist asking questions that's in the mind of many of us and not the usual daily reporting. Some of mine:

  • The end point of all the predictive models is August, what happens after August? What happens when the measures are put in place are no longer followed, either because we're fatigued or because they're officially lifted?
  • Officials, including Boris, insist on using the term "delay" the spread. I have yet to hear an official statement talking about stopping the spread. Are we all going to be infected at some point? It seems like it's a realistic conclusion.
  • We're not being told what's going to happen in September because non of the models extend beyond August.
  • What are the metrics for success? What are we compromising for? It's understandable what the metrics for success in the first few months, but how about a year from now?
  • If modeling is all we have to base our decisions on, at what point do the models suggest that the amounts of deaths that are going to be prevented over the next year, not just the next 3 months, are worthy of shutting down the economy?
  • Where are the models about how wrecked the economy will be for each country 3 months from now?
  • What happens if we don't get more stimulus bills and what happens if we do? What will be the outcome a universal basic income is adopted at a global level?
  • Are the models taking into consideration the fact that they're local and whatever decisions that are based on them are not being implemented internationally?
  • For example the states of the UNITED states of America and the members of the European UNION have taken different paths in their attempt to deal with the current situation, which is a joke. Scientifically, literally everyone has to be on the same page for the lockdwons to work & be effective but that's not the case. What are the consequences of that and what do we do about it? If such unions are failing to unite what shall we expect from the rest of the world?
  • This is going to be a years-long problem that can only end with a vaccine, isn't it?
  • If that's the case, at what point do the models predict that staying home is gonna become a bigger problem for public health than lifting the lid and letting the virus spread ?
  • What countries are not pushing for lockdowns and trying to give herd immunity a chance? Should we have a list of these countries and compare their long-term outcome to countries who are for prolonged lockdowns?
Last edited by LurkerJ - on 07 April 2020

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vivster said:

Stretched out sporadic slumps might be better to handle than one single complete collapse. Like taking a loan. Sure, you pay overall more due to interest, but it's better than having to pay everything upfront. Humans aren't min-maxable.

Not going to happen. Politicians are starting to rediscover the "Domino theory", basically stating "If we don't start normal life, the Chinese will take over our industry". Instead of countries turned communist cells, it's Chinese buying our country now.

What's new elsewhere? In the southern italian village Soleto, several pensioners have died after the entire personnel had run away and left the old people alone without any care, starving to death. Of the 87 inhabitants, most carry the virus.



@LurkerJ Im curious on how this all ends too. The day the lockdown ends the streets of major cities and towns will be packed, parks packed, beaches packed ifnits still warm out, and restaurants packed. Wont this just cause the virus to spread more because there could be a few asymptomatic people left.



My sisters friend her dad died because of the virus,age 62 i think and pretty healthy person before getting it.

Oooh and my dad is back out of quarantaine and going to work this week so that's a positive.



Boris Johnson in the ICU. Most patients with COVID19 symptoms aren't allowed in the NHS because unless you're deteriorating, there is nothing the hospitals can do for you.

So him moving to the hospital last night rang the alarm. Hope he makes it.



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John2290 said:
Immersiveunreality said:

My sisters friend her dad died because of the virus,age 62 i think and pretty healthy person before getting it.

Oooh and my dad is back out of quarantaine and going to work this week so that's a positive.

Young people can get acute illnesses from it too just a lower percentile.

https://twitter.com/SwordAndScale/status/1246552365378998274?s=09

I already kinda dislike the person behind the tweets on that account,all those puns and mocking on the back of suffering people.

I mean if u see an image of a suffering kid and the first thing you think of is that you are fortunate to use that to get back to people is yeah....



I just want some good news dammit. A sliver of hope to hold onto... My wife will give birth in 2 and a half months to our second daughter... So many concerns... I try to stay away from the news, but I can't. I wish I was ignorant to all of this, but it doesn't change the fact that things are scary as hell right now... I hope everyone here stays safe.



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So its probably coin-toss odds that Boris Johnson makes it at this point?

Yikes. Really hoping he pulls through.



Made a bet with LipeJJ and HylianYoshi that the XB1 will reach 30 million before Wii U reaches 15 million. Loser has to get avatar picked by winner for 6 months (or if I lose, either 6 months avatar control for both Lipe and Hylian, or my patrick avatar comes back forever).

LurkerJ said:
Boris Johnson in the ICU. Most patients with COVID19 symptoms aren't allowed in the NHS because unless you're deteriorating, there is nothing the hospitals can do for you.

So him moving to the hospital last night rang the alarm. Hope he makes it.

is that actually confirmed?

*edit:  Yep googled it.

barneystinson69 said:
So its probably coin-toss odds that Boris Johnson makes it at this point?

Yikes. Really hoping he pulls through.


I can't believe like a week ago, he was saying his symptoms were very mild.
Go back a week futher, and he was saying "this virus is overblown, its like a flu, I wont let it change me, I'll shake hands/pat shoulders because its the britian way"

If he actually doesnt pull through.... thats just insane.


Supposedly one of the things that determines how badly your symptoms become, is when you were exposed, how much of it, at once you got.
How many sources gave it too you, ect.  This is why you see healthy young doctors / nurses, dieing to this as well.  They basically all get massive exposure in large quantities, and from multiple sources.

Boris ignored the social distanceing, and no shakeing hands thingy.... and it bit him in the arse.

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John2290 said:
FarleyMcFirefly said:
I just want some good news dammit. A sliver of hope to hold onto... My wife will give birth in 2 and a half months to our second daughter... So many concerns... I try to stay away from the news, but I can't. I wish I was ignorant to all of this, but it doesn't change the fact that things are scary as hell right now... I hope everyone here stays safe.

You'll have a story that you can tell your daughter years from now when she grows up, about how you overcame the fear to keep her and her mother safe in the early 2020's and how you couldn't have done without them, it made you stronger and put life and what matters, fundamentally, into perspective. 

We'll get through this man, it's not the end of the world but it is the end of things as we know it and if you look at history humans always make things better and more prosperous after cataclysms, wars or other adversity. Use that as the good news you need, it's going to be a rough few years but by the time your daughter is old enough to remember she'll be living in a better world. 

Thanks man, I appreciate the reply! I really do :)



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