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EspadaGrim said:

Waste of money for Sony imo, remember that the very same clauses that get were bought for was the reason why it was rumored why MS couldn’t come to a deal, Remain independent and no exclusivity plus over 2 billion.

This does nothing for me imo since CoD is way bigger and now has a better chance of staying exclusive outside of Warzone which makes much more revenue than Destiny.

My guess is that they wanted something that can get them guaranteed revenue year after year.

Yeah, I feel like the leadership over at Bungie greatly overvalue themselves (wanting independence and not wanting exclusivity). I would have thought Bungie was worth in the hundreds of millions at most since they only have 1 ip (although maybe that's silly of me considering 1ip devs seem to fetch large amounts of money). Insomniac for example was a well priced aquisition by Sony and didn't cost anywhere near a billion dollars (let alone nearly 4 billion). Insomniac has a proven track history of creating phenomenal games to boot (Ratchet, Resistance, Sunset Overdrive, Spiderman) same can't be said for Bungie. 

With all of that said, Jim Ryan said Sony isn't done so I do wonder if they're targeting any large publishers (particularly Japanese ones). I see Capcom and Square Enix being thrown around a lot by social media (both are certainly within Sony's price range). Another possibility is Sony continues to just go after individual devs, maybe Techland, maybe some smaller devs like Supergiant games, etc... Only time will tell who else they nab, interesting to speculate regardless. 



So to see what the fuss is about i actually watched the trailer which i normally ignore seeing as all trailers are pretty much identical. This one hit many of the usual items, but cortana not being blue is a minor thing based on the few seconds we see it, 10/10 in looks otherwise.



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NobleTeam360 said:
EspadaGrim said:

Waste of money for Sony imo, remember that the very same clauses that get were bought for was the reason why it was rumored why MS couldn’t come to a deal, Remain independent and no exclusivity plus over 2 billion.

This does nothing for me imo since CoD is way bigger and now has a better chance of staying exclusive outside of Warzone which makes much more revenue than Destiny.

My guess is that they wanted something that can get them guaranteed revenue year after year.

Yeah, I feel like the leadership over at Bungie greatly overvalue themselves (wanting independence and not wanting exclusivity). I would have thought Bungie was worth in the hundreds of millions at most since they only have 1 ip (although maybe that's silly of me considering 1ip devs seem to fetch large amounts of money). Insomniac for example was a well priced aquisition by Sony and didn't cost anywhere near a billion dollars (let alone nearly 4 billion). Insomniac has a proven track history of creating phenomenal games to boot (Ratchet, Resistance, Sunset Overdrive, Spiderman) same can't be said for Bungie. 

With all of that said, Jim Ryan said Sony isn't done so I do wonder if they're targeting any large publishers (particularly Japanese ones). I see Capcom and Square Enix being thrown around a lot by social media (both are certainly within Sony's price range). Another possibility is Sony continues to just go after individual devs, maybe Techland, maybe some smaller devs like Supergiant games, etc... Only time will tell who else they nab, interesting to speculate regardless. 

Insomniac were that price of $230m because they came with no IP's with Sunset Overdrive probably been the most relevant and that probably had no factor on the price. From an overall perspective of just getting the studio it was a high price but Sony owning the IP 's they have developed and been able to dump them on licensed games like Spiderman meant that could overpay for the upcoming gains potential which has already paid off.



Any business minded people here know the % of that falling through? I read they'd have to pay a decent amount if it does. I wonder what that would mean for MS going forward.



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NobleTeam360 said:
EspadaGrim said:

Waste of money for Sony imo, remember that the very same clauses that get were bought for was the reason why it was rumored why MS couldn’t come to a deal, Remain independent and no exclusivity plus over 2 billion.

This does nothing for me imo since CoD is way bigger and now has a better chance of staying exclusive outside of Warzone which makes much more revenue than Destiny.

My guess is that they wanted something that can get them guaranteed revenue year after year.

Yeah, I feel like the leadership over at Bungie greatly overvalue themselves (wanting independence and not wanting exclusivity). I would have thought Bungie was worth in the hundreds of millions at most since they only have 1 ip (although maybe that's silly of me considering 1ip devs seem to fetch large amounts of money). Insomniac for example was a well priced aquisition by Sony and didn't cost anywhere near a billion dollars (let alone nearly 4 billion). Insomniac has a proven track history of creating phenomenal games to boot (Ratchet, Resistance, Sunset Overdrive, Spiderman) same can't be said for Bungie. 

With all of that said, Jim Ryan said Sony isn't done so I do wonder if they're targeting any large publishers (particularly Japanese ones). I see Capcom and Square Enix being thrown around a lot by social media (both are certainly within Sony's price range). Another possibility is Sony continues to just go after individual devs, maybe Techland, maybe some smaller devs like Supergiant games, etc... Only time will tell who else they nab, interesting to speculate regardless. 

Sony 100% overpaid for Bungie, but it’s possible that they did it because they didn’t want anybody to counter their offer.

When you look at the available publishers they could buy SEGA, Capcom and Square Enix who are all valued below 10 billion, obviously it will take more than that for it to happen.

I can see Sony buying more independent studios like Lucid Games, Camouflage (Iron Man VR devs who are likely already working on a PSVR2 exclusive based on job listings), Ember Labs, Haven, and Deviation. A wild card that I would throw out there is Crytek since they would fit Sony’s new Games as Service strategy really well.



Ryuu96 said:
Spade said:

Any business minded people here know the % of that falling through? I read they'd have to pay a decent amount if it does. I wonder what that would mean for MS going forward.

Listen to Hoeg Law: https://youtu.be/FAUp-4LN5gI?t=1330

He's a lawyer, better than any of us to comment on this.

Microsoft sends their documents to FTC and they have 30 days to respond, FTC can either respond with approval, let it lapse (if they say nothing, the deal is allowed) or ask Microsoft for a 2nd look (they ask for more information) and request a bunch more stuff, Hoeg believes it's reasonable to assume this will be a 2nd look acquisition which usually massively extends the timeline to close cause FTC can keep asking for information and the 2nd window doesn't start until then, which is again another 30 days where FTC will once again either decide to block, allow, lapse (which is basically allowing it) or ask for concessions.

Hoeg is at 80-90% chance of it being approved, says you could go as low as 70% but it incorporates the possibility of a concession (i.e. you can't buy this part), he says it is enormously unlikely they will ask Microsoft to make something multiplatform.

Microsoft has to pay Activision-Blizzard $3bn if the deal doesn't go through, I'm assuming they will pay it and move on, I strongly suspect that those who don't want the deal to go through won't like the alternative if it doesn't, that money will just be spent elsewhere, likely on studios they actually care about, Lol.

I was actually thinking about this as well. The people who don't want it to go through should probably be aware that it'll just free up MS to spend it on other studios/pubs instead. Greatly increasing the probability that someone they actually do care about being bought out instead. So if anything they should be rooting for the deal to go through more than anything



Bungie is not a bad purchase by Sony. They will get their money back eventually but as with Insomniac, Playstation won't gain even one new customer with these investments.
This has zero impact on the players.



Ryuu96 said:

CrossfireX and Edge of Eternity for me.



I'm trying to find that infographics, a pie chart of all Microsoft Studios + Bethesda + Activision/Blizzard together showing that Blizzard, COD studios and Xbox Studios were about 33% each of so. I know someone posted it here but you guys are blabbering so much that it is long gone and I tried to search through pages but cannot find it anymore.