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Machiavellian said:

Trump going down has more to do with him being the complete moron then anything else you or John can think up.  We are here today because of how incompetent this whole Ukraine situation was handled by Trump and his administration.  This whole narrative, of socialist this, liberal that is just another way to deflect from an obvious idiotic handling of another situation that continue to baffle me on why people consider this moron capable of anything more than screwing shit up as he has shone throughout his life.

Oh well keep looking for ways to move the blame to everyone else besides the one person who got us here.

Don't you get it ? It's not about who to blame ... 

It's about what Trump represents and it's that he represents America with all of it's idiosyncrasies and beliefs too. If Trump loses then America loses as well because it's own people doubt the very institutions behind their systems thus potentially undoing their project to democratize the whole world ... 

Would you rather see America keep losing in the world if it means you wanting to see Trump losing so badly ? America facing defeat behind the very foundations they've built upon the world so far means victory for the communist middle kingdom regime! 



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There is absolutely nothing impeachable here. No crime has been proven. The same people that think Trump is guilty are the same people that didn’t want him elected in the first place.



fatslob-:O said:
Machiavellian said:

Trump going down has more to do with him being the complete moron then anything else you or John can think up.  We are here today because of how incompetent this whole Ukraine situation was handled by Trump and his administration.  This whole narrative, of socialist this, liberal that is just another way to deflect from an obvious idiotic handling of another situation that continue to baffle me on why people consider this moron capable of anything more than screwing shit up as he has shone throughout his life.

Oh well keep looking for ways to move the blame to everyone else besides the one person who got us here.

Don't you get it ? It's not about who to blame ... 

It's about what Trump represents and it's that he represents America with all of it's idiosyncrasies and beliefs too. If Trump loses then America loses as well because it's own people doubt the very institutions behind their systems thus potentially undoing their project to democratize the whole world ... 

Would you rather see America keep losing in the world if it means you wanting to see Trump losing so badly ? America facing defeat behind the very foundations they've built upon the world so far means victory for the communist middle kingdom regime! 

Are you saying Donald Trump represents America in the most literal sense - i.e. he was voted in as President? If you mean it in a more general sense, we know he lost the popular vote so you could say Hillary would have been a more accurate representation of the country...

Are you also saying that any legitimate takedown of a high ranking government figure is bad for democracy? Surely that shows that democracy has the ability to police itself and weed out it's corrupt parts?

I guess I just don't agree with your premise that Trump losing equates to democracy or the US losing...



fatslob-:O said:
Machiavellian said:

Trump going down has more to do with him being the complete moron then anything else you or John can think up.  We are here today because of how incompetent this whole Ukraine situation was handled by Trump and his administration.  This whole narrative, of socialist this, liberal that is just another way to deflect from an obvious idiotic handling of another situation that continue to baffle me on why people consider this moron capable of anything more than screwing shit up as he has shone throughout his life.

Oh well keep looking for ways to move the blame to everyone else besides the one person who got us here.

Don't you get it ? It's not about who to blame ... 

It's about what Trump represents and it's that he represents America with all of it's idiosyncrasies and beliefs too. If Trump loses then America loses as well because it's own people doubt the very institutions behind their systems thus potentially undoing their project to democratize the whole world ... 

Would you rather see America keep losing in the world if it means you wanting to see Trump losing so badly ? America facing defeat behind the very foundations they've built upon the world so far means victory for the communist middle kingdom regime! 

Thats the most absurbly stupid arguement against a impeachment I think is possible fatslob.
The fearmongering about communist is overblown for one thing, and two even the president shouldnt be above the law.

Trump keeps danceing around our the edges and doing shady things he knows he shouldnt because he believes hes above the law.
Remember the remark about him being able to walk down a street and shoot someone and no one would care? people love him so much.

Your proveing his point.



Biggerboat1 said:
fatslob-:O said:

Don't you get it ? It's not about who to blame ... 

It's about what Trump represents and it's that he represents America with all of it's idiosyncrasies and beliefs too. If Trump loses then America loses as well because it's own people doubt the very institutions behind their systems thus potentially undoing their project to democratize the whole world ... 

Would you rather see America keep losing in the world if it means you wanting to see Trump losing so badly ? America facing defeat behind the very foundations they've built upon the world so far means victory for the communist middle kingdom regime! 

Are you saying Donald Trump represents America in the most literal sense - i.e. he was voted in as President? If you mean it in a more general sense, we know he lost the popular vote so you could say Hillary would have been a more accurate representation of the country...

Are you also saying that any legitimate takedown of a high ranking government figure is bad for democracy? Surely that shows that democracy has the ability to police itself and weed out it's corrupt parts?

I guess I just don't agree with your premise that Trump losing equates to democracy or the US losing...

^ that.

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The elected is supposed to represent the people, ei. they work for them, not abuse them or the powers their given.



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drinkandswim said:
There is absolutely nothing impeachable here. No crime has been proven. The same people that think Trump is guilty are the same people that didn’t want him elected in the first place.

Say you catch a bank robber, before hes out of the bank with the money.
Do you go "oh no harm done, he never took any money".

Or lets say a bank robber, is about to get caught by the police, and puts the money back in the back vault.

You see where Im going with this?
Trump only said he didnt want a quid-pro-quo after, the media got news of him potentially breaking the law.
Before then, he was telling his personal aid, to speak on his behalf to get this deal done.

This is how Trump works.
Indirectly, to break the law.

Then if it goes badly, he can always just throw people under the bus.
"I hardly knew the guy" "who?" "dont know him" "never met them" "I dont recall" ect ect.

Its all just excuses, he full well knows when hes breaking the law.

Thats why you see so many people leave the white house, or become implicated in crimes.
How many people working for Trump are now in jail? (because of him)

Remember that quote "I know all the best people" "we ll drain that swamp"  (trump is the swamp, and his best people are all crooks working for him)

edit:

"No crime has been proven."

Actually people in hearings have said they tried to commit a crime, and claimed it was at trumps behalf.
And theres evidence that seems to point that way.

The fact that it never came to be, is besides the point.
Ei. leading back to the backrobber exsamples above.

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fatslob-:O said:
John2290 said:
Silly Americans, you should be coming together yet you are tearing each other down. There are real threats to freedom in this world and Trump is not one of them or at least ranks very, very low on the list. He is the enemy of your enemy and you all should be backing him in crushing the dystopia that will soon be upon us all globally as it is now in Hong Kong. The west and it's ideals can still win but not if you all fall for this obvious trap set for you by corporate entities funded with middle eastern and far eastern money. We are all fucked until the masses realise that they are the new weapons in a digital cold war being waged in plain daylight. Wake up, you fools.

There can be no compromise among the social democrats if they only want democracy to go into one direction which is theirs ... 

If our generation wants less political freedom then they along with America and the rest of the free world can go eat shit. Trump going down means liberal democracies go down all together in the face of a rising eastern nationalist communist regime ...

If I wanted unity and censorship, I'd rather subscribe to the communists who will more often than not do those things better than the social democrats who are ideologically not too dissimilar from them ... 

If the social democrats want their stupid dream of an unproductive utopia then they should be prepared to pass on the new world order to the reinvigorated middle kingdom ... 

That reads like a variation of the reasoning to put Hitler in power in the 1930s.



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RolStoppable said:
Runa216 said:
I don't get it. Bill Clinton had an affair with a white house clerk and got impeached. (Seriously, on the scale of scandals, that's like a 1.2/10), but Trump has done ALL OF THIS and continues to put your country into the state it's in through treason, xenophobia, all the bigotries, and a clear hatred for any but the upper class...and it's taking us almost four years to get this close?

HOW?!

Frankly I'm amazed nobody's shot the moron, yet.

The Super Bowl halftime show with Janet Jackson and Justin Timberlake was a bigger problem than anything Trump has done, be it individual goofs or all of it combined.

^ sad state of affairs that people are so scared of a single boob being shown, that its apparently a bigger deal to americans.

That quote by trump claiming he could walk down a street and shoot someone and get away with it, because people love him so much seems true.



Well most reasonable people dont think investigating corruption is a crime. Only the people that hate Trump believe that. Trump didnt need dirt on Biden. He was investigating to see if the dirt was true. Because that was the actual potential crime. Not investigating it. Plus it has not been proven that aid was held back for this investigation. Actually the OMB testified it was due to general corruption concerns with Ukraine.



Biggerboat1 said:

Are you saying Donald Trump represents America in the most literal sense - i.e. he was voted in as President? If you mean it in a more general sense, we know he lost the popular vote so you could say Hillary would have been a more accurate representation of the country...

Are you also saying that any legitimate takedown of a high ranking government figure is bad for democracy? Surely that shows that democracy has the ability to police itself and weed out it's corrupt parts?

I guess I just don't agree with your premise that Trump losing equates to democracy or the US losing...

Both literally and figuratively. Trump is an example of what democracy has to offer ... 

Impeachment is also a 'political' process, not a 'legal' process so calling it a takedown is a bit much ... 

If democracies can't get people to trust in their own nation's institutions in spite of the fact that people like Trump do get elected then it is a system of governance that becomes unsustainable ... 

What does America mean to the rest of the world if it constantly keeps selling the idea of democracy to other nations but they themselves fail to follow it ? Why should the other nations adopt democracy when it is clearly a failure that didn't do what it was designed for when the other world power is showing another path to governance where their own version of 'socialism' is proving to be more stable and potentially more effective ? 

JRPGfan said:

Thats the most absurbly stupid arguement against a impeachment I think is possible fatslob.
The fearmongering about communist is overblown for one thing, and two even the president shouldnt be above the law.

Trump keeps danceing around our the edges and doing shady things he knows he shouldnt because he believes hes above the law.
Remember the remark about him being able to walk down a street and shoot someone and no one would care? people love him so much.

Your proveing his point.

I'm not fearmongering about naive version of communism since it mostly leads to ruin but rather the middle kingdom's managed version of communism which could lead to the most powerful state in the not too distant future ... 

Yes the president shouldn't be above the law but that doesn't give the opposition in congress to be above democracy because a seething desire to put their political opponent in prison through illegitimate ways means that their no better than the police state at the other side of the world ... 

Getting rid of Trump means also getting rid of a feature like 'democracy' because at the end of the day what's preventing the public from voting people like him into power ? Trump getting defeated means liberal democracy meets a symbolic defeat in the world ...

RolStoppable said:

That reads like a variation of the reasoning to put Hitler in power in the 1930s.

Looking back, Hitler didn't necessarily get everything wrong because some of the ideas he put into practice are now in the hands of a geopolitical rival who has potential to become the next superpower ... 

The middle kingdom could ultimately validate quite a bit of Hitler's thinking which means he had the right concept all along. If western world want to be taken over by idiocy then the middle kingdom no matter how socially oppressive they are means that they are the only sane civilization left ...