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fatslob-:O said:
Eagle367 said:

Did the courts indict Evo Morales? No. Who did? The new right wing official under the military's express instructions. That's not facing justice, that's facing death. You keep mentioning justice but forget the military told him to resign, not any legal channel. What's happening in Bolivia is 100% extrajudicial so what law is he facing? Not the Bolivian law but maybe martial law. Netenyahu has been investigated by a neutral party under normal circumstances of the Israeli law. Likud will not decide his fate, the courts will. Trump is facing impeachment, the most constitutional thing a Congress can do. Imagine if the US military asked Donald Trump to resign? There is not justice with Morales returning home, only an unjust extrajudicial death. I can't believe the hypocrisy of you people who supposedly support democracy and rule of law. NO PHYSICAL EVIDENCE of election rigging in Bolivia exists as well. And no one indicted hi, under normal regular channels of Bolivian law. I don't have proof of CIA you're right but call it past experience with how CIA does it's dealings. Decades from now when no one cares, unclassified documents will show what the truth is. 

Just because the military indicted Evo Morales does not mean that that he won't receive a fair trial in court ... 

Netanyahu has been investigated by a neutral party but it's unlikely the courts will settle the issue so he's hanging by his own party's lifeline. As for Trump, he hasn't been impeached so that's for the Republicans to decide and that's also unlikely to happen either. At least the US military is content with Trump not breaching the constitution so far while the same can't be said of Evo Morales who breached the term limits as enshrined in the Bolivian constitution and is also accused of terrorism on tape ... 

As far as no 'physical' evidence of election rigging that's not consistent with OAS claims who found "clear manipulation" in Bolivia's voting system ... 

At the end of the day you are justifying cowardice for a fugitive not showing up in court to be tried for his potential crimes and not even his own party supports him anymore! 

How about that ? The Movement for Socialists promised to attest to the findings by OAS to audit the previous election results so it's not only just a right-wing military coup but it's also a left-wing political coup by his own party or a bipartisan coup to recognize that he is the illegitimate president of Bolivia ...  

OAS is bought and paid for by the US, who hated Morales. They have been known to lie for the US before. They are untrustworthy and if there was actual evidence, there would be multiple sources. And OAS hasn't provided any data or evidence for public scrutiny. And when the military does a coup, you know the trial won't be fair. Just look at Zulfiqar Bhutto. Are you messing with me? Or yourself?



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OTBWY said:
Nautilus said:

OTBWY was defending Maduro.But thats neither here or there.

All I ever said is that she is very likely to be better than Maduro(whcih isnt hard, mind you), simply because she is 1 week in in her new job, leading a country thats beyond broke.

Me and Donferrari are no extremists, and probably neither are you guys.It just baffles me that, because we are "celebrating" the fall of a dictator basically by the peoples demand(again, the people wanted him out, the military just gave him an ultimatum.And lets be honest, given the fraudulent election, he would never have left the power otherwise).

And just out of the curiosity:What would you call what Maduro did rigging the elections?Democracy?

I wasn't defending Maduro, no matter who gets ousted or whatnot, leaders still can be incompetent. However, that doesn't take away that Guaido and all the other coup attempts come out of the US's playbook. Just like Bolivia. Like a bad script.

It's all about these countries' resources. Keeping the natives down, keeping the wealth in the hands of a few rich white upper class families and making sure that the US is served. 

If you want to misrepresent me, that is fine. But at least my foreign policy isn't aligned with right wing neocons in the US. Or types like Fatslob. And with that Player2 is right. We have come to a point where, one hates socialism so much, that he/she approves of religious theocratic regimes established through violent military coups. 

Then pardon me, but it really gets under my skin anyone who defends these dictators, these murderers, these destroyers of nations.And you know what is most sad?Its that Most countries in South America(Barring Brazil, Chile and maybe Argentina) wont be able to recover, or rather get to a decent level in terms of development for the next 50 years.Its not only Morales fault, mind you, but he is part of the equation.

No one is aproving a "religious theocratic regimes", I think most people here are just saying that the woman is being jumped on without having any basis for it, outside of a couple of sentences(which dosent look good, Ill admit), against 14 years or recorded government of Morales, filled with corruption, inneficience and so much more.Its that.I think people are just tired of this political correctness and being jumped on just because he/she is not left leaned.

That is just a part of it of course, but thats my take anyways.At least how I feel.

Edit:Oh and lets both admit, Eagle with all his conspiracy theories dosent help, does it?

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Nautilus said:
OTBWY said:

I wasn't defending Maduro, no matter who gets ousted or whatnot, leaders still can be incompetent. However, that doesn't take away that Guaido and all the other coup attempts come out of the US's playbook. Just like Bolivia. Like a bad script.

It's all about these countries' resources. Keeping the natives down, keeping the wealth in the hands of a few rich white upper class families and making sure that the US is served. 

If you want to misrepresent me, that is fine. But at least my foreign policy isn't aligned with right wing neocons in the US. Or types like Fatslob. And with that Player2 is right. We have come to a point where, one hates socialism so much, that he/she approves of religious theocratic regimes established through violent military coups. 

Then pardon me, but it really gets under my skin anyone who defends these dictators, these murderers, these destroyers of nations.And you know what is most sad?Its that Most countries in South America(Barring Brazil, Chile and maybe Argentina) wont be able to recover, or rather get to a decent level in terms of development for the next 50 years.Its not only Morales fault, mind you, but he is part of the equation.

No one is aproving a "religious theocratic regimes", I think most people here are just saying that the woman is being jumped on without having any basis for it, outside of a couple of sentences(which dosent look good, Ill admit), against 14 years or recorded government of Morales, filled with corruption, inneficience and so much more.Its that.I think people are just tired of this political correctness and being jumped on just because he/she is not left leaned.

That is just a part of it of course, but thats my take anyways.At least how I feel.

Edit:Oh and lets both admit, Eagle with all his conspiracy theories dosent help, does it?

I honestly don't care about arguing further (and I don't care much for the last part). Cause nothing we say will change our minds. All I want is for you to not misrepresent me. 




OTBWY said:
Nautilus said:

Then pardon me, but it really gets under my skin anyone who defends these dictators, these murderers, these destroyers of nations.And you know what is most sad?Its that Most countries in South America(Barring Brazil, Chile and maybe Argentina) wont be able to recover, or rather get to a decent level in terms of development for the next 50 years.Its not only Morales fault, mind you, but he is part of the equation.

No one is aproving a "religious theocratic regimes", I think most people here are just saying that the woman is being jumped on without having any basis for it, outside of a couple of sentences(which dosent look good, Ill admit), against 14 years or recorded government of Morales, filled with corruption, inneficience and so much more.Its that.I think people are just tired of this political correctness and being jumped on just because he/she is not left leaned.

That is just a part of it of course, but thats my take anyways.At least how I feel.

Edit:Oh and lets both admit, Eagle with all his conspiracy theories dosent help, does it?

I honestly don't care about arguing further (and I don't care much for the last part). Cause nothing we say will change our minds. All I want is for you to not misrepresent me. 

Of course you dont.

Well, lets agree to disagree then.



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DonFerrari said:
Jumpin said:

No, you didn't. You came into my thread and argued against my post "I love how it is ok to mock religious person if they are christian." Then I pointed out: "The main stuff the Christian Gospels are against is the stuff she's doing." Your response to that was: "So the reason it isn't ok to mock Muslim is because their gospel is being met by them when they do bad stuff?"

1. Yes I came into your thread and did it. Again, would you deny that mocking other religions get more backlash currently?

2. And if you didn't understand the second point, from what you said I understood you are replying to being ok mock christians and you replied that she is doing against the gospel. You didn't say it is ok to mock other religions. So I asked by putting the two points together that if it is ok to mock her because she is against the gospel but wouldn't be ok to mock a muslim doing bad stuff because that would be following their gospel. Not sure where you got confused.

How the hell does that anger toward my post translate into this: "what I said is that in general in this forum and other areas of western world it is fun to mock Christians but not other religious, as is ok to mock male but not woman, or white but not black, etc. Would you deny this situation?"

You're completely full of crap.

And for the record: Read this other thread I posted a little while back. http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=237978

3. I didn't see any part of the OP mocking muslim or even the person in there.

And here's something more recent before you demand it: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9070470 You can look back and see more posts, as this is part of a series.

4. Also didn't see you mock islam, or any person in the OP.

Also, watch the damn video. Even though it looks like she was beaten by an ugly stick, that's not a man, it's a woman.

I'd recommend taking your white Christian man SJWing elsewhere.

5. In this thread both title and OP are to ridicule the person and her carrying the bible. Your OP looks much more an attack than your provided "doing the same against islam", also just to reiterate the previous points. In your OP you also weren't saying you don't like her because she doesn't follow christian gospel.

1. If you're talking about identity politics. Yes, I deny that backlash for mocking non-Christians results in less backlash than mocking Christians. I obviously got WAY more backlash from Christians from mocking this fake Christian than I ever did from mocking one of the highest-ranking people in Muslim society.

2. If you didn't understand MY post, it's that I am not mocking her because she's Christian. You're taking offence where it is not given. I am mocking her because she's batshit crazy and seizing control of a nation. The fact that she is using a cartoonishly large Christian bible as a prop in her show is incidental, and I have already pointed out, is very much against the teachings of Jesus. According to the Epistle of James, those who claim to follow Jesus, but ignore his teachings follow a worthless religion - AKA not Christian.

3. Mohammed Bin Salman, not only a Muslim, but the Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia and effective leader of Sunni Islam, is not Muslim enough for you? Perhaps not, I would imagine that many more serious Islamic people would find MBS a repulsive example of how a proper Islamic person should act. But then you can't consider this Bolivian tyrant to be Christian either (as per my last post). But claiming I don't mock anyone in that thread? That's bullshit. I mock him several times in the thread, in one post I compare Mohammad Bin Salman to the Sacha Baron Cohen's insane dictator character Aladeen, as well as mock many of the world leaders who are cooperating with Bin Salman.

4. I may not be mocking Islam, but I am not mocking Christianity either. Mocking someone for hoisting around an absurdly large bible is NOT mocking Christianity. Giant showy bibles in themselves are a mockery of Jesus's teachings (See Gospel of Matthew 6 and Gospel of Matthew 23 for starters).

5. The point is you complained that women don't get mocked, in a thread that is mocking a woman.

I am not sure why you are so angry about this, not even Jesus would have a problem. If the Gospels are anything to go by, if Jesus were around, he'd mock her too.



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Eagle367 said:

OAS is bought and paid for by the US, who hated Morales. They have been known to lie for the US before. They are untrustworthy and if there was actual evidence, there would be multiple sources. And OAS hasn't provided any data or evidence for public scrutiny. And when the military does a coup, you know the trial won't be fair. Just look at Zulfiqar Bhutto. Are you messing with me? Or yourself?

@Bold *sigh* I'm not surprised by you and OTBWY flogging conspiracy theories on the same level as Alex Jones ... 

If they are 'untrustworthy' as you say they are then why are most of it's members Spanish states including Cuba as well ? Why did Evo Morale's own party, Movement for Socialists promised to attest to their results ? As far as data is concerned did you even take a look at their report

Why you continue to defend Evo Morales even though he's been effectively disowned by his own party continues to amaze me ... 



fatslob-:O said:
Eagle367 said:

OAS is bought and paid for by the US, who hated Morales. They have been known to lie for the US before. They are untrustworthy and if there was actual evidence, there would be multiple sources. And OAS hasn't provided any data or evidence for public scrutiny. And when the military does a coup, you know the trial won't be fair. Just look at Zulfiqar Bhutto. Are you messing with me? Or yourself?

@Bold *sigh* I'm not surprised by you and OTBWY flogging conspiracy theories on the same level as Alex Jones ... 

If they are 'untrustworthy' as you say they are then why are most of it's members Spanish states including Cuba as well ? Why did Evo Morale's own party, Movement for Socialists promised to attest to their results ? As far as data is concerned did you even take a look at their report

Why you continue to defend Evo Morales even though he's been effectively disowned by his own party continues to amaze me ... 

I don't care much for political parties playing politics to protect themselves. If they don't disown Morales, the military will destroy their party all together. I don't get how you can't seem to have much grasp of the obvious. A teenager could have given you that answer.

And regarding conspiracy theories the level of Alex Jones, I'm sure you would have said the same thing if I told you about Abu Ghuraib, or that US soldiers were shooting up civilians and journalists during the US invasion of Iraq or that the WMD lie was made up or that Syrian chemical weapons attacks are a lie or what happens at Gitmo or the CIA black sites around the world. You continue to be deceived by the US imperialists and you ignore evidence when it comes out about their previous misadventures.

You seem to ignore US history in the region as a whole and how much US hated Morales, especially for what he said out loud in the UN what every country thinks of the US in their heads. I don't play politics by choosing sides mate. I use what I know, my own brain, what makes sense looking at the past, not ignoring it like you, and what I think is right to inform my opinion. I trust independent journalists who aren't bought out, Jeremy Corbyn, Bernie Sanders, Noam Chomsky and AOC because they have earned my trust, not because of any misguided team loyalty.

And I have seen what the US does and how it operates up close and personal so you living in that US are the good guys bubble don't see what I see. To me, it's blatantly obvious, not a far fetched conspiracy theory like Alex Jones puts out. It would be more odd to have no US involvement looking at the past of the US and the current administration with war criminals like Mike Pompeo and Eliot Abrams. So I would suggest instead of calling it a conspiracy theory, do your research from sources other than the western MSM and governments and intelligence agencies. It's clear that you are beyond making any sort of argument and just dismissing everything I say so continuing this discussion is useless.



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Eagle367 said:

I don't care much for political parties playing politics to protect themselves. If they don't disown Morales, the military will destroy their party all together. I don't get how you can't seem to have much grasp of the obvious. A teenager could have given you that answer.

Except they can't really threaten political actors or restrict political rights ... 

Eagle367 said:

And regarding conspiracy theories the level of Alex Jones, I'm sure you would have said the same thing if I told you about Abu Ghuraib, or that US soldiers were shooting up civilians and journalists during the US invasion of Iraq or that the WMD lie was made up or that Syrian chemical weapons attacks are a lie or what happens at Gitmo or the CIA black sites around the world. You continue to be deceived by the US imperialists and you ignore evidence when it comes out about their previous misadventures.

Yes you are making crap up on the level of Alex Jones ...

Yes, the US uses deception against the public but can you actually prove that it was the case with Bolivia ? 

I ignore what you have to say not because you have evidence but because you have a lack of evidence to show that America somehow interfered in the case of Bolivia ... 

Eagle367 said:

You seem to ignore US history in the region as a whole and how much US hated Morales, especially for what he said out loud in the UN what every country thinks of the US in their heads. I don't play politics by choosing sides mate. I use what I know, my own brain, what makes sense looking at the past, not ignoring it like you, and what I think is right to inform my opinion. I trust independent journalists who aren't bought out, Jeremy Corbyn, Bernie Sanders, Noam Chomsky and AOC because they have earned my trust, not because of any misguided team loyalty.

Ironic since you aren't doing any of these things ... 

You most certainly do have a misguided team loyalty because you have a clear political ideological alignment ... 

Eagle367 said:

And I have seen what the US does and how it operates up close and personal so you living in that US are the good guys bubble don't see what I see. To me, it's blatantly obvious, not a far fetched conspiracy theory like Alex Jones puts out. It would be more odd to have no US involvement looking at the past of the US and the current administration with war criminals like Mike Pompeo and Eliot Abrams. So I would suggest instead of calling it a conspiracy theory, do your research from sources other than the western MSM and governments and intelligence agencies. It's clear that you are beyond making any sort of argument and just dismissing everything I say so continuing this discussion is useless.

I don't even live in the US LOL ... 

I also don't necessarily see the US as being the "good guys" either. I see them as a mere stepping stone in contesting for the next world order ... 

I would suggest that you give me some real evidence because what you're doing so far is making up things which makes them conspiracy theories ... 

What America has done in the past may set a precedent for them but again it does not mean that it is true in every case they are involved in if you can actually prove that they were involved at all in Bolivia ... 



Jumpin said:
DonFerrari said:

1. If you're talking about identity politics. Yes, I deny that backlash for mocking non-Christians results in less backlash than mocking Christians. I obviously got WAY more backlash from Christians from mocking this fake Christian than I ever did from mocking one of the highest-ranking people in Muslim society.

Strange because I haven't seem a single backlash or personal attack against you in this thread. What you got was people questioning you attacking her for being christian and crazy (and you may deny but your OP is basically that) and people saying that we should wait for her actions and changes in government to say she is worse than Evo Moralez.

2. If you didn't understand MY post, it's that I am not mocking her because she's Christian. You're taking offence where it is not given. I am mocking her because she's batshit crazy and seizing control of a nation. The fact that she is using a cartoonishly large Christian bible as a prop in her show is incidental, and I have already pointed out, is very much against the teachings of Jesus. According to the Epistle of James, those who claim to follow Jesus, but ignore his teachings follow a worthless religion - AKA not Christian.

You were already explained that it have nothing of cartoonishly large, it is just an old leather bible, a relic. And I don't take offense on her. As I put I pointed that we as society are more accepting to attacks against christian than others because "they aren't minorities".

3. Mohammed Bin Salman, not only a Muslim, but the Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia and effective leader of Sunni Islam, is not Muslim enough for you? Perhaps not, I would imagine that many more serious Islamic people would find MBS a repulsive example of how a proper Islamic person should act. But then you can't consider this Bolivian tyrant to be Christian either (as per my last post). But claiming I don't mock anyone in that thread? That's bullshit. I mock him several times in the thread, in one post I compare Mohammad Bin Salman to the Sacha Baron Cohen's insane dictator character Aladeen, as well as mock many of the world leaders who are cooperating with Bin Salman.

I said your OP didn't mock him. You put a video/news and small comment identifying him. You don't call him crazy, muslim or anything of the lick in title or OP.

4. I may not be mocking Islam, but I am not mocking Christianity either. Mocking someone for hoisting around an absurdly large bible is NOT mocking Christianity. Giant showy bibles in themselves are a mockery of Jesus's teachings (See Gospel of Matthew 6 and Gospel of Matthew 23 for starters).

You have already been explained about the large bible. Would the stone with the 10 laws if found and true being very large be called a mocking of Christianity because it would be large and showy? Is the statue of Jesus in Brazil a mockery on Jesus himself because it is huge and showy? I doubt it.

5. The point is you complained that women don't get mocked, in a thread that is mocking a woman.

I am not sure why you are so angry about this, not even Jesus would have a problem. If the Gospels are anything to go by, if Jesus were around, he'd mock her too.

Women get mocked when they are antagonist of feminism movement or any other identity movement. Quite easy to see left wing people and politicians mocking severely (even with rapist jokes) woman, gay or black that are antagonist to the movement and the rest of the left wing pretending to be deaf and blind. So a woman identified as right wing would be mocked easily, now pick up an unknown partisan or left wing identity movement target and do the same.



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