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Player2 said:
Nautilus said:

People need to stop this "if he is from the left, he is a good guy" and " if he is from the right, he is a fascist!Nazist!".Thats what led to Bolivia becomming what it is today.

This is funny, because if you switch left and right, it describes you and DonFerrari.

You'll never see Jumpin, OTBWY or me defend Maduro, Dilma Roussef, Cristina Kirchner or Felipe González meanwhile you two are the ones defending a religious fanatic getting into power through a military coup.

You read minds and the future to ensure even other people wouldn't defend them?

Have I defended her? Nope. Haven't said a single good thing about her. And also said that by me you can mock anyone you want for any motive.

What I pointed out was that mocking her for being christian is free pass while doing the same to other religion would be met with criticism by several of the same people doing it against christians.

Eagle367 said:
DonFerrari said:

Have I said you did? Have I said OP is that?

Nope, what I said is that in general in this forum and other areas of western world it is fun to mock christians but not other religious, as is ok to mock male but not woman, or white but not black, etc. Would you deny this situation?

Then you are fine.

Owww are you going to pretend there aren't thousand of people that make fun of christianity as a whole but get offended if you mock another religion?

Just see that we got a post saying that all christians are idiots, and no one had an issue or got a moderation.

And funnier here is seeing people complaining about secularity on christian countries, I don't remember any that isn't secular or that chase after other religious minorities, but islamic countries persecuting is still very common. They are basically doing what could be said christians done 5 centuries ago.

Screw those people then. And don't play that argument with me son. The bad leaders have got nothing to do with Islam and everything to do with power and corruption and history. The UK had a chance to help the Arabs that helped the UK win against Turkey. Those Arabs were truly more in tune with what Islam is and would have lead the Arabian peninsula in a very different direction but the UK abandoned it's ally and the Sauds won. The wahabist sauds who spend a ridiculous amount of money spreading their vile twisted belief among unsuspecting poor people who send their children for education and foods to what they think are islamic Madrasahs but end up being wahabist Propaganda camps and they have their networks in most Muslim nations. And all the squiggly lines the British made in the middle east did not help matters there either. An area that was once the centre of trade and knowledge is down the gutters. Let's not pretend Islam has a major role in any of what's happened in the middle east, it's just power and politics. People who criticise an entire religion without understanding any of it are just idiots. And for you to judge Islam ;ole you claim others unjustly judge Christianity is your problem, not mine. As I said, go ahead and make fun of Muslim,;readers for their stupidity and evils. 

Islam on the creation already had jihad constructed into it. So what would be in tune with Islam be?

And sure there are plenty of good people who are islamic, and also plenty of bad people that are christians. Also yes you can blame UK for not supporting the better or less violent islamic leaders. I pretty much believe that when islam evolves to be a smaller aspect of the lifes of the people in countries majorly islamic like christianity evolved in western countries. If one look at the bible certainly will find plenty of stuff justifying bad behavior and killing people.

Eagle367 said:
Nautilus said:

Oh please, really?Are you really going to play the "She/he is right leaning, so he/she is a fascist" card?Well, if it comes down to this, at least I know that I have won the argument....

The PEOPLE wanted him out.It is stated on both sources that I gave you.It wasnt something that the evil military or the evil first world ploted to make it happen.People, especially ones that live a good life in countries like Europe or in the US, are so ennamored with this idea that socialism and the governments that comes with it are "for the people", that they defend anything they do, no matter how horrible that government turns out to be.Why?Because its easy to defend something that you dont live in, and its harder to accept the fact/truth that maybe your ideals are simply not pratical.

Morales was not a good dictator, at least in the end, and the people wanted him out.There were multiple protests about the fradulent elections(and even before that), acknoledged both by the country and by international entities, and you come here and say that it was the military, and by extention the people, that did a coup?

Honestly, it makes me want to send anyone that approves such governments, especially ones like Bolivia which are one of the poorest countries in the world, to go live there for a year, and think if they feel the same way after that time.Yeah, it sucks that Bolivia had to live through a shit dictator like Morales, and that its interin(interin!!!!) president isnt all that better(at least in theory, saying is one thing, doing is another), but being blind about the true nature of the previous government is just asking to make the same mistake yet again.

The people did not want him out. That is a lie perpetuated by Western media. And she isn't fascist just because she is right wing, she is fascist because she came in power unelected, gave the military free hand to kill protestors and the Bolivian people and replaced a democratically elected leader

Yes let's call everything fascism, that certainly explain everything.



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It's funny to see people here mock Christianity when it has been undeniably the biggest contributor to science ... 

What's more funny is seeing people on here defending a man with no spine who escaped to another country to avoid facing the rule of law from his own country ...



Nautilus said:
Eagle367 said:

How is she better? The "dictator" was improving the lives of bolivians and Bolivia in all metrics. See how Bolivia goes down the gutter with this idiot at the helm

He was improving their lives so much that even the people wanted him to resign....

And Bolivia is still on the gutter... Outside of Brazil, Chile and maybe Argentina, most countries in South America are in the gutter....

People need to stop this "if he is from the left, he is a good guy" and " if he is from the right, he is a fascist!Nazist!".Thats what led to Bolivia becomming what it is today.

Your list is botched. You're referring to Chile (despite protests), Uruguay AND Argentina. 

Yes, Argentina at its worst will still be kilometers ahead of the rest. 

Colombia pre-Duque counted as well. Sadly, I'm here now and it seems Duque is going in reverse. 



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    Player2 said:
    Nautilus said:

    People need to stop this "if he is from the left, he is a good guy" and " if he is from the right, he is a fascist!Nazist!".Thats what led to Bolivia becomming what it is today.

    This is funny, because if you switch left and right, it describes you and DonFerrari.

    You'll never see Jumpin, OTBWY or me defend Maduro, Dilma Roussef, Cristina Kirchner or Felipe González meanwhile you two are the ones defending a religious fanatic getting into power through a military coup.

    OTBWY was defending Maduro.But thats neither here or there.

    All I ever said is that she is very likely to be better than Maduro(whcih isnt hard, mind you), simply because she is 1 week in in her new job, leading a country thats beyond broke.

    Me and Donferrari are no extremists, and probably neither are you guys.It just baffles me that, because we are "celebrating" the fall of a dictator basically by the peoples demand(again, the people wanted him out, the military just gave him an ultimatum.And lets be honest, given the fraudulent election, he would never have left the power otherwise).

    And just out of the curiosity:What would you call what Maduro did rigging the elections?Democracy?



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    Eagle367 said:
    Nautilus said:

    He was improving their lives so much that even the people wanted him to resign....

    And Bolivia is still on the gutter... Outside of Brazil, Chile and maybe Argentina, most countries in South America are in the gutter....

    People need to stop this "if he is from the left, he is a good guy" and " if he is from the right, he is a fascist!Nazist!".Thats what led to Bolivia becomming what it is today.

    The people did not want him out, it was a coup by the military. Now the military is trying to shut the people up. There are protests and people are dying right now. And he uplifted the native population who are the majority of the people and they are being targeted for protesting right now. I'm tired of people just straight up buying American propaganda and not looking into things. Maduro is from the left but he is corrupt and made things worse for sure, but also the US sanctions and antagonization on the world stage doesn't help the people of Venezuela. But Morales has made the country better as people have pointed out here. I'm not just gonna accept the narrative of the bought out corporatist American MSM. Why should I? They lie about the left, they lie about Bernie Sanders, they lie about socialism, they lie about Pakistan, they lie about Israel, they lie about why the Americans invade countries and they lie about Syria, they lie about the middle east and so on and so forth.was Morales perfect? No. Should he have an unlimited term as president? No. But are these new nutjobs better? Hell no! They are not elected and Morales was, the only ones questioning his elections are American funded OAS, the US, and US loyalists and allies. I am and will forever be against American lead coups and puppet governments. 

    I personally think the policies of the right harm most of the nation anyways, but there's a difference between elected fair and square vs starting a coup. So are any of you guys for democracy anymore? Like only when it suits you eh?  Saudi Arabia is fine but a democratically elected ruler who made his country better when his predecessors left it in a shitty position is not. Let's not pretend this is about Bolivia anyways. It's about manifest destiny, it's about the power hungry elite of Bolivia and it's about the never ending US war on socialism and Communism. The people did not protest to remove Morales, at least not most of them, the military threatened him to reading while burning down his house, the house of his party's leaders and other nasty horrible things. Screw the fake western narrative the US has created.

    *Reads the part in black* Good lord... and thats why the world can be such a shitty place.Politics are like football for some people.You dont see the situation, you only want to know if your team is winning....

    Maduro had RIGGED the elections.That was proven internally and externally.They had a fraudulent election.And yes, there are some Maduro supporters(as any shit government has supporters around the world, even nazis and socialist governments have supporters today), dosent mean the people want him back.Actually, there were much more people in favor for him getting out.



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    Eagle367 said:
    Nautilus said:

    Oh please, really?Are you really going to play the "She/he is right leaning, so he/she is a fascist" card?Well, if it comes down to this, at least I know that I have won the argument....

    The PEOPLE wanted him out.It is stated on both sources that I gave you.It wasnt something that the evil military or the evil first world ploted to make it happen.People, especially ones that live a good life in countries like Europe or in the US, are so ennamored with this idea that socialism and the governments that comes with it are "for the people", that they defend anything they do, no matter how horrible that government turns out to be.Why?Because its easy to defend something that you dont live in, and its harder to accept the fact/truth that maybe your ideals are simply not pratical.

    Morales was not a good dictator, at least in the end, and the people wanted him out.There were multiple protests about the fradulent elections(and even before that), acknoledged both by the country and by international entities, and you come here and say that it was the military, and by extention the people, that did a coup?

    Honestly, it makes me want to send anyone that approves such governments, especially ones like Bolivia which are one of the poorest countries in the world, to go live there for a year, and think if they feel the same way after that time.Yeah, it sucks that Bolivia had to live through a shit dictator like Morales, and that its interin(interin!!!!) president isnt all that better(at least in theory, saying is one thing, doing is another), but being blind about the true nature of the previous government is just asking to make the same mistake yet again.

    The people did not want him out. That is a lie perpetuated by Western media. And she isn't fascist just because she is right wing, she is fascist because she came in power unelected, gave the military free hand to kill protestors and the Bolivian people and replaced a democratically elected leader

    *facepalm*

    And its a lie because?Because the news source you read/watch tell you otherwise?The ones that are (probably) biased towards your own opinion regarding the world?

    Do you even remember that Maduro rigged the elections?Or did the "Western Media"(lol) also lied about it?That internacional entities lied about it?That even bolivian entities lied about it?



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    DonFerrari said:
    Player2 said:

    This is funny, because if you switch left and right, it describes you and DonFerrari.

    You'll never see Jumpin, OTBWY or me defend Maduro, Dilma Roussef, Cristina Kirchner or Felipe González meanwhile you two are the ones defending a religious fanatic getting into power through a military coup.

    You read minds and the future to ensure even other people wouldn't defend them?

    Have I defended her? Nope. Haven't said a single good thing about her. And also said that by me you can mock anyone you want for any motive.

    What I pointed out was that mocking her for being christian is free pass while doing the same to other religion would be met with criticism by several of the same people doing it against christians.

    Eagle367 said:

    Screw those people then. And don't play that argument with me son. The bad leaders have got nothing to do with Islam and everything to do with power and corruption and history. The UK had a chance to help the Arabs that helped the UK win against Turkey. Those Arabs were truly more in tune with what Islam is and would have lead the Arabian peninsula in a very different direction but the UK abandoned it's ally and the Sauds won. The wahabist sauds who spend a ridiculous amount of money spreading their vile twisted belief among unsuspecting poor people who send their children for education and foods to what they think are islamic Madrasahs but end up being wahabist Propaganda camps and they have their networks in most Muslim nations. And all the squiggly lines the British made in the middle east did not help matters there either. An area that was once the centre of trade and knowledge is down the gutters. Let's not pretend Islam has a major role in any of what's happened in the middle east, it's just power and politics. People who criticise an entire religion without understanding any of it are just idiots. And for you to judge Islam ;ole you claim others unjustly judge Christianity is your problem, not mine. As I said, go ahead and make fun of Muslim,;readers for their stupidity and evils. 

    Islam on the creation already had jihad constructed into it. So what would be in tune with Islam be?

    And sure there are plenty of good people who are islamic, and also plenty of bad people that are christians. Also yes you can blame UK for not supporting the better or less violent islamic leaders. I pretty much believe that when islam evolves to be a smaller aspect of the lifes of the people in countries majorly islamic like christianity evolved in western countries. If one look at the bible certainly will find plenty of stuff justifying bad behavior and killing people.

    Eagle367 said:

    The people did not want him out. That is a lie perpetuated by Western media. And she isn't fascist just because she is right wing, she is fascist because she came in power unelected, gave the military free hand to kill protestors and the Bolivian people and replaced a democratically elected leader

    Yes let's call everything fascism, that certainly explain everything.

    Sorry but you don't understand Islam, Christianity or jihad. All you have is what the media fed to you, what your western centric narrative tells you and some loose definition of words and phrases you have never even tried understanding

    Also brutal dictatorships that murder protestors  and destroy democracy fascist? Then what is?

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    Nautilus said:
    Eagle367 said:

    The people did not want him out. That is a lie perpetuated by Western media. And she isn't fascist just because she is right wing, she is fascist because she came in power unelected, gave the military free hand to kill protestors and the Bolivian people and replaced a democratically elected leader

    *facepalm*

    And its a lie because?Because the news source you read/watch tell you otherwise?The ones that are (probably) biased towards your own opinion regarding the world?

    Do you even remember that Maduro rigged the elections?Or did the "Western Media"(lol) also lied about it?That internacional entities lied about it?That even bolivian entities lied about it?

    Why are you mentioning Maduro? Are you sure you know what you're talking about? First get the name of the leader right. Second the American funded OAS said the Bolivian election was rigged before it even ended and no proof has been found from any source, only an illegitimate claim by a biased organization. The Americans who hate the Bolivian leader whose name you don't seem to remember fund the OAS so the bias is easy to know and understand. Other independent organisations didn't find any proof of that claim. Just like the lie about WMDs and the lie about chemical weapons attacks in Syria. And go read independent media not funded by large US corporations who love capitalism because it benefits them so much and hate socialism because it will affect their bottomline.

    Go read the intercept for one. Research what code pink does. Why do you trust CNN, BBC, MSNBC or WaPo or new York times? They have blatantly lied about Bernie Sanders so why should you trust them? They are clearly biased because capitalism benefits them a lot and many of their tv personalities are millionaires because of it and they are owned by large media conglomerates that benefit them. Show me that same conflict of interest in the intercept.

    That's why I trust different news sources for different stories, RT is not gonna say something negative about Russia but they will have no problem reporting truths that are anti-american. Al Jazeera might not tell the whole truth about Qatar, but they do a fine job on almost anything else, hell might be the best of the bunch. CNN might lie when US imperialist Corporatist interests are involved but they might be the best source on other stories. I consider biases when reading the stories and take what news papers and other news sources feed me with a huge grain of salt and then make my own judgement. Can't say the same for you since you can't even get the leader right. 

    Next time ask yourself why CNN would tell the truth about Syria or Bolivia? Why would RT not tell the truth about something that makes the US look bad. What motive would code pink have for standing against US imperialism other than just being against US imperialism. Why would Assange leak bad stuff about Russia if he is working with Russians. Why would WikiLeaks be filled with info on all countries indiscriminately if he works for one of those countries? I know it's easier to buy the US imperialist propaganda but looking at all stories from all angles and making your decision based on that is the best policy. Get as much data as you have time for. That's how I know.

    And my team as you say is humanity. I make my politics centered on what helps the list people, not selfish old me, unlike the US government. And it's not a conspiracy theory that the US has invaded countries, democratic countries just for supporting USSR or thinking about socialism or communism. It's in history books. Ask a historian about that and manifest destiny. I condemn any country invading a sovereign nation that has a different political belief system than you solely because of money, power and a superiority complex. The US has caused much harm to the world and this is just the latest example. This is class warfare and the rich did start this class warfare long before either of us were born. Anyone who chooses money and power over people is my enemy. I just realised what the best system for humanity is and I just have the privilege of knowing the hypocrisy of world leaders all over and not buying the propaganda of any one nation like you gobble up western imperialism. 

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    AsGryffynn said:
    Nautilus said:

    He was improving their lives so much that even the people wanted him to resign....

    And Bolivia is still on the gutter... Outside of Brazil, Chile and maybe Argentina, most countries in South America are in the gutter....

    People need to stop this "if he is from the left, he is a good guy" and " if he is from the right, he is a fascist!Nazist!".Thats what led to Bolivia becomming what it is today.

    Your list is botched. You're referring to Chile (despite protests), Uruguay AND Argentina. 

    Yes, Argentina at its worst will still be kilometers ahead of the rest. 

    Colombia pre-Duque counted as well. Sadly, I'm here now and it seems Duque is going in reverse. 

    This guy can't even get the name of the leader right. He keeps saying Maduro



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    fatslob-:O said:

    It's funny to see people here mock Christianity when it has been undeniably the biggest contributor to science ... 

    What's more funny is seeing people on here defending a man with no spine who escaped to another country to avoid facing the rule of law from his own country ...

    By rule of law, you mean a brutal murder by the military that is supported by US imperialists then yes. And I would much rather defend such a man, who mind you made his country better and who was much more a democratic leader than the current bozos who run the country and who we willing protestors and most likely gonna impose a dictatorship. The man you describe is much better than the new idiot "ruler" of Bolivia, bolsanaro, Boris Johnson, netenyahu, MBS and Trump. 



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