Just thought about this, but since Switch Lite is handheld only, it's going to count towards Switch hybrid console sales? I realize this isn't cut and dry because of it's initial hybrid nature, but PS4 and XB1 are just home consoles, plus the mid gen upgrades, so adding Switch Lite to Switch sales doesn't exactly seem right to me.

I mean, while not all that likely, if a late PS4 Portable, that was digital only, came to market, would it or should it really fall under PS4 sales?

I dunno. Just an odd situation in comparison to the past.

It's a mess. And there will be talk about what a mess we have to talk about, because it's a mess. The Switch Lite is a handheld. A pure portable device. Replete with all the economical benefits that accompany a handheld console. Which when you come down to it, is the most important difference between a handheld and a home console when talking about sales. It's why the distinction is made. People will take this into account when giving even a modicum of thought to the dynamics of the situation. As they should.

The naming scheme is the worst part, because it's along the same lines as PS4 and Pro. It's marketed that way for less confusion especially in terms of games, and the Switch isn't any different, just instead of adding an upgraded model, it's more of a downgrade, but still fit's in the same platform in terms of marketing. People even pointed out how weird it would be to call it Switch something if it doesn't actually switch, like the Switch.

The difference however is that PS4 and Pro are clearly both home consoles, yet while Switch is a hybrid, Switch Lite is a handheld, so marketing aside, they are different types of hardware, even though it's not quite as distinct a separation as pure handheld vs pure console.

Based on what trunks said, it sounds like the sales numbers are separate, and known, and I don't think PS4 sales are done that way (no idea about XB1), so to me that would be just another reason to have Switch hardware sales separate.

PS1 sits at 102.49m units sold. Think about that again.

Let's get dirty. I'm gonna put my arm shoulder-deep into the toilet to get this tampon that's clogging it.....The Switch was already not a home console. It was a hybrid. Launched 3 years and 4 months after the PS4 and XBO. For $100 less. So the direct comparisons are already in territory that might cause people to tilt their heads and furrow their brows. Now that the Switch Lite is a thing? Yeesh. I mean, I know what I see, but I expect the discourse over the next few years to be a somewhat annoying affair.

At some point, I was pushing to define exactly what the Switch was years ago... For this exact reason.

Ok the Switch "is" a hybrid. Conned so because it could be used as a handheld and a Home console. So what does that make the switch lite? A hybrid too? Obviously not... its strictly a handheld. But I am guessing that if we end up having a version of the switch that can only be used as a home console then well....

Anyways, props to Nintendo for blurring the lines. This is built-in post moving right here lol.

The real head-scratcher though is, doesn't this mean that every windows PC that can play xbox games is basically an xbox? 

You are both trying to make it more complicated than it really is. When Vita TV was counted towards Vita sales, there's no question about it that Switch Lite sales will be counted towards the Switch total.

Just thought about this, but since Switch Lite is handheld only, it's going to count towards Switch hybrid console sales? I realize this isn't cut and dry because of it's initial hybrid nature, but PS4 and XB1 are just home consoles, plus the mid gen upgrades, so adding Switch Lite to Switch sales doesn't exactly seem right to me.

I mean, while not all that likely, if a late PS4 Portable, that was digital only, came to market, would it or should it really fall under PS4 sales?

I dunno. Just an odd situation in comparison to the past.

It's a mess. And there will be talk about what a mess we have to talk about, because it's a mess. The Switch Lite is a handheld. A pure portable device. Replete with all the economical benefits that accompany a handheld console. Which when you come down to it, is the most important difference between a handheld and a home console when talking about sales. It's why the distinction is made. People will take this into account when giving even a modicum of thought to the dynamics of the situation. As they should.

At some point, I was pushing to define exactly what the Switch was years ago... For this exact reason.

Ok the Switch "is" a hybrid. Conned so because it could be used as a handheld and a Home console. So what does that make the switch lite? A hybrid too? Obviously not... its strictly a handheld. But I am guessing that if we end up having a version of the switch that can only be used as a home console then well....

Anyways, props to Nintendo for blurring the lines. This is built-in post moving right here lol.

The real head-scratcher though is, doesn't this mean that every windows PC that can play xbox games is basically an xbox? 

Aside from the fact that Switch sales may not look as impressive to some if they aren't combined, I don't see why this seems so crazy. 

If you wanted to say they play the same games, well some games cross platforms, so do sales of those other platforms, for those specific games, count as well?

It's not like there's a blatantly obvious and distinct cut off, but allowing a handheld and console to be considered the same, basically means all hardware sales for any platform that can play some of the same games should be combined into one.

I myself don't really agree with that, but that's just me.