Forums - Sales Discussion - Global Hardware 29 June 2019

RolStoppable said:

Do you honestly believe that? (Refering to the spoiler text.)

This line of thinking means that if third parties don't come, then there's no money to be made on Switch. We are almost 2.5 years past the Switch's launch and the console has more than proven that it is viable, including being the #1 in the USA in 2018, the main market for AAA third party publishers. However, E3 has already passed and there have not been many game announcements for Switch from those publishers. Are you inclined to draw the conclusion that there's no money to be made on Switch because those third parties won't be putting more content on Switch?

Your sarcastic response to Ganoncrotch's post is a lot closer to the truth than your spoiler text.

What bothers the AAA third party publishers is that Switch shows that a successful game business can be run without lootboxes and all the other bullshit. If they ported their games to Switch with all the bullshit attached, the games would get ignored because there are better games that come without bullshit. If they ported their games to Switch without the bullshit attached, it poses the risk that PS and Xbox gamers would begin to ask the question why all the bullshit is necessary. Switch is a serious threat to the direction that AAA third parties want to push gaming in, and supporting Switch in earnest poses the risk that Switch becomes even more successful than it already is.

Let me get this straight. On one hand, you're saying that publishers are biased against Nintendo because they choose to not port their games to Switch. On the other hand, you're saying that their games would get ignored on Switch because "there are better games".

That's not bias. That's business. Publishers have one goal and that's to make money.



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Keybladewielder said:

Dat Switch domination, feels like the Wii days. Won't take long before the Switch surpasses the Xbone's lifetime sales.

By the end of the year I'm thinking, with the absolute avalanche of games arriving over the next 5 months plus the Lite.

Next week's numbers will bring the gap down to just 7 million, and Xbone's weekly sales have slowed to a crawl.



Bet with Liquidlaser: I say PS5 and Xbox Series X will sell more than 56 million combined by the end of 2023.

Looking at those Switch numbers I understand now why Nintendo did not annouce the Switch Lite at e3:

To prevent to harm their sales when Super Mario Maker 2 released.



zorg1000 said:
Alby_da_Wolf said:

Oh my, NS is overwhelming even during Summer.

Summer is typically good for portable devices, it's the spring (notably April/May) where Switch had a lull this year and last.

Sure, but NS is a hybrid, so it caters for home console gamers too, this could maybe negatively affect some sales, so that its sales, pushed by being also a portable, are very high anyway is more noteworthy than if it were just a portable.

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Replicant said:
RolStoppable said:

Do you honestly believe that? (Refering to the spoiler text.)

This line of thinking means that if third parties don't come, then there's no money to be made on Switch. We are almost 2.5 years past the Switch's launch and the console has more than proven that it is viable, including being the #1 in the USA in 2018, the main market for AAA third party publishers. However, E3 has already passed and there have not been many game announcements for Switch from those publishers. Are you inclined to draw the conclusion that there's no money to be made on Switch because those third parties won't be putting more content on Switch?

Your sarcastic response to Ganoncrotch's post is a lot closer to the truth than your spoiler text.

What bothers the AAA third party publishers is that Switch shows that a successful game business can be run without lootboxes and all the other bullshit. If they ported their games to Switch with all the bullshit attached, the games would get ignored because there are better games that come without bullshit. If they ported their games to Switch without the bullshit attached, it poses the risk that PS and Xbox gamers would begin to ask the question why all the bullshit is necessary. Switch is a serious threat to the direction that AAA third parties want to push gaming in, and supporting Switch in earnest poses the risk that Switch becomes even more successful than it already is.

Let me get this straight. On one hand, you're saying that publishers are biased against Nintendo because they choose to not port their games to Switch. On the other hand, you're saying that their games would get ignored on Switch because "there are better games".

That's not bias. That's business. Publishers have one goal and that's to make money.

The sentence you highlighted clearly states why the games would get ignored, so it's not rocket science for AAA publishers to figure out what they would have to improve.

Given what your response was, you are either convinced that there is no money to be made on Switch or you hope that you don't have to give a clear answer to that question.



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Good for Nintendo. The Switch is a great piece of hardware, my favorite Nintendo hardware since the SNES. I am curious how long Nintendo can keep the momentum. With Astral Chain, Daemon, FE, LM3, Pokemon... I suspect Nintendo is only getting started. As for Microsoft, the Xbox One has been massively disappointing for me, I went as far as to sell mine. I loved the 360 and original Xbox, but this generation MS has done a terrible job at delivering exclusive content. My favorite 3 One games were Ori (Indie), MCC (collection of old games) and Rare Replay (collection of old games).



Alby_da_Wolf said:
zorg1000 said:

Summer is typically good for portable devices, it's the spring (notably April/May) where Switch had a lull this year and last.

Sure, but NS is a hybrid, so it caters for home console gamers too, this could maybe negatively affect some sales, so that its sales, pushed by being also a portable, are very high anyway is more noteworthy than if it were just a portable.

It also being a home console does not negate its portable aspect.



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RolStoppable said:
Replicant said:

Let me get this straight. On one hand, you're saying that publishers are biased against Nintendo because they choose to not port their games to Switch. On the other hand, you're saying that their games would get ignored on Switch because "there are better games".

That's not bias. That's business. Publishers have one goal and that's to make money.

The sentence you highlighted clearly states why the games would get ignored, so it's not rocket science for AAA publishers to figure out what they would have to improve.

Given what your response was, you are either convinced that there is no money to be made on Switch or you hope that you don't have to give a clear answer to that question.

Please stop trying to make it sound like I'm saying that there's no money to be made on Switch. I'm saying that the claim about "3rd parties hating Nintendo" is ridiculous. As I said initially, if there's money to be made, 3rd parties will come as we've seen with e.g. Activision (Crash Bandicoot N. Sane Trilogy, Crash Team Racing Nitro-Fueled, Spyro: Reignited Trilogy), Bandai Namco (Digimon Story: Cyber Sleuth, Digimon Survive, Dragon Ball FighterZ), Capcom (Mega Man 11, Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney Trilogy), Epic (Fortnite), Sega (Sonic Mania, Team Sonic Racing, Puyo Puyo Tetris), Square Enix (Octopath Traveler, Dragon Quest XI S), Take-Two (Civilization VI), Ubisoft (Mario + Rabbids Kingdom Battle, Just Dance), and Warner (Scribblenauts Showdown, Lego City Undercover).

You claim that Switch owners ignore the 3rd party "loot box riddled" AAA titles but still complain that publishers aren't bringing them to Switch. You're basically calling 3rd parties biased against Nintendo for not wanting to change their business model regarding AAA titles. That's entitlement in its purest form.



Beyond the third party behavior we continue to mock, I wonder if there are still people shouting at how the Switch is doomed or not? I mean if they wanted to they could probably shout 'POKEMON SWORD AND SHIELD CONTROVERSY WILL SINK THE SWITCH!' or something

(Worst that will do is basically be the Switch's Age of Ultron, something that does well but with a notable gap of 'what could have been without it' that there is internal reaction and response, FYI)



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Bofferbrauer2 said:
OTBWY said:
Holy shit!!! Switch went super saiyan!

Nope, that's in 2 months... with the Lite models: Yellow (SS 1-3), Turquoise (Super Sayan Blue/SSGSS) and Grey (Ultra Instinct)

Nope. it indeed got into Super Saiyan, but now it is waiting to go Ultra Instinct mode with Lite ^^

KrspaceT said:
Beyond the third party behavior we continue to mock, I wonder if there are still people shouting at how the Switch is doomed or not? I mean if they wanted to they could probably shout 'POKEMON SWORD AND SHIELD CONTROVERSY WILL SINK THE SWITCH!' or something

(Worst that will do is basically be the Switch's Age of Ultron, something that does well but with a notable gap of 'what could have been without it' that there is internal reaction and response, FYI)

I don't remember that being the case the Switch finished it's first year. (Or at least the end of the 2nd year calmed those lunatics xP)



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