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The more comments I read the more I think a free democratic society is a mistake. Plenty of persons clearly don't want to live in a society in which people with different viewpoints can live and speak freely. Even if he provoked it, that isn't an excuse. For all I care he saus his mother was a whore who blew him for drugs. That doesn't give you the right to physically assault someone. Especially if you are an adult and that man should be bought to the court.



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Qwark said:
The more comments I read the more I think a free democratic society is a mistake. Plenty of persons clearly don't want to live in a society in which people with different viewpoints can live and speak freely. Even if he provoked it, that isn't an excuse. For all I care he saus his mother was a whore who blew him for drugs. That doesn't give you the right to physically assault someone. Especially if you are an adult and that man should be bought to the court.

I don't think anyone here would disagree with that point...

All I am saying is the context needs to be acknowledged in light of the way in which this incident is being used to fashion narratives.



Antifa justifying violence because some is being provocative.... the irony.



"He shouldn't have gone out in public it was dangerous wtf was he thinking"

"she shouldn't have gone out in public at night wearing that it was dangerous wtf was she thinking"



Immersiveunreality said:
Chris Hu said:

If you stir up shit you shouldn't be surprised if people once in a while are trying to kick your ass.  If you mess with a hornets nest you are bound to get stung.

Does your expectations of him being assaulted make it a right thing being assaulted?

Would you rejoice about a reporter getting shot in a warzone,would you revoke him because he dared to go into that territory?

I'm not saying what happened to him is right or wrong.  But nobody should be surprised that he got attacked he is not some innocent bystander.  Again if you mess with a hornets nest you are bond to get stung.



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Ima stop before I get in trouble. But let me just say. The slippery slope argument has been used to exhaustion. But still is apropiate. Antifa started punching who they claimed where Nazi and that label could have been applied by simply saying you don't agree to any one issue. People said it would get worse. Now people are getting beat up for being a "provocatour" which again can be applied to anyone who disagrees with their points.
Basicly people don't agree with the label Nazi as it was to extreme so now we got provocatour which is not as extreme as Nazi but less people dissagre and the end result is still violence by antifa. Eventually they will just say he just don't agree with us kick his ass.

I believe if any group no matter how noble their goal is. As soon as they resort to violence the argument is lost. And there is no excuse no matter how much the person sucks. And the people saying violence is bad butt..... The rest of the argument is invalid. The is no butt. Whoever started the violence immediately lost the argument.



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Let's recap:

1. This incident was posted in the official thread for US politics earlier this week and was written off as a provocateur getting what he was looking for.

2. The incident was spun off into its own thread by a user who has a long history of deliberately misrepresenting situations. The video of Fox News describes the situation as Ngo getting beaten almost to death, but the whole thing lasted only about ten seconds and Ngo could walk away on his own feet. People suffer more bruises from an average game of American football.

3. Despite how fake the whole thing is in real life (see Fox News video) as well as how it's set up for this thread, we still get a bunch of people who defend a far-right journalist. If you are right-leaning, why not distance yourself from this journalist as well as the groups he sympathizes with? Is that really a challenge to do?

4. Perhaps there would be more sympathy if Ngo had been driven to death by an Antifa member. But considering that the right as a whole seems to be proud of the American military, it's hilarious that a pansy like Ngo gets the spotlight for suffering minor injuries and that apparently a republican lawyer wants Trump to classify Antifa as a terrorist organisation.



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Chris Hu said:
Immersiveunreality said:

Does your expectations of him being assaulted make it a right thing being assaulted?

Would you rejoice about a reporter getting shot in a warzone,would you revoke him because he dared to go into that territory?

I'm not saying what happened to him is right or wrong.  But nobody should be surprised that he got attacked he is not some innocent bystander.  Again if you mess with a hornets nest you are bond to get stung.

If i think i'm fighting for a good cause i might get stung when pushing the boundaries indeed,to my opinion it is good some have the bravery to do that and even when we expect those people being attacked it would still not make them wrong for crossing the boundaries .

There could have been expectations of him being assaulted for sure but he is still a victim.



Immersiveunreality said:
Chris Hu said:

I'm not saying what happened to him is right or wrong.  But nobody should be surprised that he got attacked he is not some innocent bystander.  Again if you mess with a hornets nest you are bond to get stung.

If i think i'm fighting for a good cause i might get stung when pushing the boundaries indeed,to my opinion it is good some have the bravery to do that and even when we expect those people being attacked it would still not make them wrong for crossing the boundaries .

There could have been expectations of him being assaulted for sure but he is still a victim.

I definitely don't think of him as victim he stirred things up and was looking for trouble.  I pretty much agree with everything RolStoppable just posted.



NightlyPoe said:
RolStoppable said:

4. Perhaps there would be more sympathy if Ngo had been driven to death by an Antifa member. But considering that the right as a whole seems to be proud of the American military, it's hilarious that a pansy like Ngo gets the spotlight for suffering minor injuries and that apparently a republican lawyer wants Trump to classify Antifa as a terrorist organisation.

How is a group that uses violence as a means to their political ends not a terrorist organization?

I see no reason for me to distance myself from Ngo.  He's harmless and he's shining a light on a legit problem in this country.

I am not familiar with the full scope of this topic, but a quick Google search brought this to light:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proud_Boys

The Proud Boys is a far-right neo-fascist[9] organization which admits only men as members and promotes political violence.

That's the group Ngo walked with, right?



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