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NightlyPoe said:
JWeinCom said:

You're correct.  This is basically a conspiracy theory more about slamming Disney than investigation.  There are a few superficial similarities and sometime in like the 90s the internet ran with it to the point where it's been treated as an unquestioned fact in many corners.  Thing was, in the 90s and early 00s the internet didn't really have video blasting from every corner, so the conspiracy could be shown via a few pictures.  If the video were widely available the theory falls apart.

Most you can really make an argument for is that Disney lifted a few visuals, but movies do that all the time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHps2iC8W3o

Seems pretty similar to me, there's zero chance at least a significant portion of Disney's animators did not know what they were doing. Tezuka was not exactly unknown, after all.

Inspiration is like Dune -> Star Wars. This is very much lifting and remaking. Of course, there are people who seemingly think, for instance, Sword of Shannara and the first book of Wheel of Time were "original" as well, so yeah.



 

 

 

 

 

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I really, intensely don't care. There are a lot of stupid "movie controversies" as of late and all they do is clutter my youtube feed with worthless opinions. This obviously has some ground to it, but the Lion King is a good movie and that's all.



I do not think any of the classic films are from stories that originated out of Disney.



NightlyPoe said:
JWeinCom said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBSSFsHWpXk

Watch for yourself. I find the video at the start to be dishonest as fuck. The story bears absolutely no similarity that I can see to the Lion King except that they feature African animals. That's like, literally it. Maybe there's more similarities in the anime (but based on plot synopsis it doesn't seem like it) but I'm not going to watch all that since the movie kinda sucked.

You're correct.  This is basically a conspiracy theory more about slamming Disney than investigation.  There are a few superficial similarities and sometime in like the 90s the internet ran with it to the point where it's been treated as an unquestioned fact in many corners.  Thing was, in the 90s and early 00s the internet didn't really have video blasting from every corner, so the conspiracy could be shown via a few pictures.  If the video were widely available the theory falls apart.

Most you can really make an argument for is that Disney lifted a few visuals, but movies do that all the time.

Ok, let me see if I understand this: We have two differet shows, both of them feature male lions as main characters, one called (S)imba and the other called (K)imba, both have a talking bird as sidekicks, both had their father killed when they were cubs, both of them talked to their dead father in a vision on the clouds.
Both shows feature a black haired lion with a scar in its left eye as a villain (with a group of hyenas as henchmen).

How you can call all of those similarities "superficial" is beyond me.



I knew about this, however what I didn't know is that Disney was claiming this as an "Original Work" during the promotional periods. That's really scummy.



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chakkra said:
NightlyPoe said:

You're correct.  This is basically a conspiracy theory more about slamming Disney than investigation.  There are a few superficial similarities and sometime in like the 90s the internet ran with it to the point where it's been treated as an unquestioned fact in many corners.  Thing was, in the 90s and early 00s the internet didn't really have video blasting from every corner, so the conspiracy could be shown via a few pictures.  If the video were widely available the theory falls apart.

Most you can really make an argument for is that Disney lifted a few visuals, but movies do that all the time.

Ok, let me see if I understand this: We have two differet shows, both of them feature male lions as main characters, one called (S)imba and the other called (K)imba, both have a talking bird as sidekicks, both had their father killed when they were cubs, both of them talked to their dead father in a vision on the clouds.
Both shows feature a black haired lion with a scar in its left eye as a villain (with a group of hyenas as henchmen).

How you can call all of those similarities "superficial" is beyond me.

Lol, I was thinking the same thing.



haxxiy said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHps2iC8W3o

Seems pretty similar to me, there's zero chance at least a significant portion of Disney's animators did not know what they were doing. Tezuka was not exactly unknown, after all.

Inspiration is like Dune -> Star Wars. This is very much lifting and remaking. Of course, there are people who seemingly think, for instance, Sword of Shannara and the first book of Wheel of Time were "original" as well, so yeah.

I grew up watching The Lion King and even though I've heard about the controversy before and heard that a group of Japanese animators urged Disney to credit Tezuka, I always shrugged it off as an attempt to capitalize on Disney's huge success. But seeing just how many similarities the two have.. That's staggering.

NightlyPoe said:

I'll repeat: The most you can really make an argument for is that Disney lifted a few visuals.

But honestly, I doubt it was much.  Most of that supercut you have, is just that, a supercut.  Scenes are pasted together across several different episodes to build a Lion King scene.  And to pad things out, there's a ton of generic stuff that you would expect two properties with animated lions and other African animals to both share.

I seriously doubt that talented Disney storyboarders spent their time watching 100+ episodes of cheap Japanese animation to piece together visuals for a movie with a completely different story and tone.  And if they did, surely one of the animators or storyboarders would have spilled the beans in the years since even though most are either not with Disney anymore or completely out of the industry by now.  If it's a conspiracy, it's a remarkably closed-lipped one.

And it would be a pointless conspiracy at that.  Movies take inspiration from other movie's visuals all the time.

Also, for what it's worth, Dune is one of Star Wars's lesser inspirations.  The desert planet and the brief mention of "spice" (since excised by the Solo movie) are kinda all that got on screen.  Some of the earlier scripts have a bit more though, particularly Leia's cut Bene Gesserit-lite backstory.  It's not nothing, but it's small in comparison to how much Lucas openly lifted from Kurosawa, Buck Rogers, Lensman, and The Dam Busters.

Are you one of those "Disney can do no wrong" guys?



I have known for years that they ripped of Kimba.



NightlyPoe said:
chakkra said:

Ok, let me see if I understand this: We have two differet shows, both of them feature male lions as main characters, one called (S)imba and the other called (K)imba, both have a talking bird as sidekicks, both had their father killed when they were cubs, both of them talked to their dead father in a vision on the clouds.
Both shows feature a black haired lion with a scar in its left eye as a villain (with a group of hyenas as henchmen).

How you can call all of those similarities "superficial" is beyond me.

I call it superficial because it is.  Maybe they did lift talking to the father in the clouds and/or Scar's look.  Maybe they didn't.  It's not like Bubu is the first time a villain has worn black and had an eye scar.  And talking bird sidekicks and dead parents aren't exactly new to Disney.  They're both in the true prototype, which is Bambi.

But if you actually watch the two, The Lion King and Kimba are just completely different to the point of it being almost laughable that it's a controversy.

Ehhh...  okay then.



This is the first I've heard about Kimba, but it doesn't surprise me if they ripped off a few different sources. The Lion King is first and foremost a ripoff of Hamlet. Why wouldn't they steal from something else too?