One part on the PC world that kinda of counter balance the improvements on the HW is how about every SW keeps increasing the demand year over year.

I simply hate that 5 years later the PC I bought even if I fully format and clean it, it will perform much worse for similar activity than when it was new. While console usually will keep similar performance even you don't do anything.

So Console gamers may forget or pretend optimization and updates don't happen on PC, but you can't pretend the end effect on a fixed HW for 5 years are similar among PC and console. On the same time the console gone from mid-tier PC HW to low-end during it's lifetime with games looking better, the equivalent HW of the PC that started with the console will lose performance instead of gaining.

That's why next gen will be even better. Freesync Monitor are cheap so it's worth to invest 

Well i know about all of you mention above no need to write  , FLOPS can be used to compare for the same bit workload and the same integer support and functionality  . Let say you can compare 32 bit fp to 32  bit fp on the same architecture design CPU or GPU. Like  "comparing the same line up GPU like RTX 2070 with RTX 2080.  FLOPS can be used to market and to tell the difference between those card, so seller or vendor dont have to write all the detail of the advantage everytime they want to sell better product. Unless if you really want telling all those crazy detail to consumer LOL 

Like I Said I agree, the problem who the hell want to explain all of those to consumer. LMAO 

Now you getting out of the topic LOL.

We still have more than a year and half  and we don't know if Sony/Microsoft planned behind close door, there is still room for theory and prediction  

20% density improvement is big , especially combined with 10% performance. 

Money is important that's why they are looking for future investment not sort temporary sells gain. Spending a lot of money on expansives chip that will be cheaper down the line is very chip proposal , especially when you want to compete on the saturated market. Both companies are ready to loose money to gain consumer and ready to lose some to gain market share.  

bigger leap in infidelity is not determined by how powerful the GPU alone, it need mass market/peoples that using the platform so Game developer can utilize it , optimize it, and develop for the mainstream. Just look at Ray Tracing , it will be a fad it's only small people buy the GPU and no games are utilizing it because nobody by the games. 

Like I said you're contradicting yourself, you said you want more powerful console but at the same time you are pessimist , with the progrest. Unlike me i am a realist. With all the current leak and progress i am already happy enough, but i still have hope and dream based on the unknown info that can be theorize to used as debate and speculation.

Like I said nobody buy PC alone to just playing games alone, and nobody want to spend time using emulator and update it , there is a reason why console exist , people want something simple. 

I don't think 8 Teraflops is low at all.
I think why Teraflops wasn't mentioned earlier before RDNA became a "thing" was for this very reason, flops is irrelevant and they can't use it for marketing (like bits!) forever.

Why wait? Some consoles already support such monitors. - However, the true leap will be when televisions support the technology.

The evidence says you can't...

That is why it's best to avoid it in it's entirety?

Still not as much time as you think it is, they still need to store up inventory for the assembly process (months), they still need to do various logistics like shipping all around the world (months) and the like.

The fact that they are using Zen 2 and Navi is just a testament to Microsoft/Sony not leveraging more cutting edge technologies outside of a few semi-custom improvements.

Those were advertising numbers, if you are porting a design from an older process, you are unlikely to achieve those goal points without some significant revisions to your library.
7nm isn't where the buck stops anyway.

7nm+ is likely to be more expensive than 7nm for awhile due to that aspect, lots of retooling needs to take place for a relatively modest gain.

Not being pessimistic, I am being realistic.

Yes things like Ray Tracing will catch-on more extensively in the gaming landscape if more hardware supports it... It's already gained significant momentum in the PC space without AMD, without consoles, without mobile supporting the technology, especially in the modding world.

In saying that, Ray Tracing is far from a fad, it's a fundamental shift in rendering that has been taking place for decades and is deemed the "holy grail" of rendering. I wouldn't underestimate it's impact in the future.

And yes I do want a more powerful console as that will reflect on PC titles... But let's be brutally honest, if the consoles leverage the fastest AMD Navi GPU, then performance is likely to sit at around the Geforce 2060 Super, which is a mid-range graphics chip, not a high-end one... I wanted more.

I also wanted more when the 8th gen launched and we ended up with a Radeon 7750/7850 level GPU's, I understood why we couldn't due to cost however, doesn't mean I can't want more?

That isn't a contradiction, it's understanding the situation of something and wanting it to be better.

And? It's not like the performance of the 1080Ti disappears into an endless void? PC Gamers will sink that extra performance overhead into driving up resolutions framerates and quality settings. - Conesole games for all their talk of "Optimization" tends to fall around the medium quality presets in games whilst PC games can drive it up to High and Ultra which is a significant step up visually.

Plus I provided evidence that the PC gets optimizations anyway.

PC gets optimizations as per the evidence provided prior.

Not really. There is no such thing as the "lowest spec PC". - PC's date back decades, there is no cut-off line.

Developers make a decision on the lowest hardware level they are willing to support... Often it's the consoles like the Xbox One and Playstation 4 which sets the baseline of games rather than the PC, especially for multiplat AAA titles.

Consoles are not used just for gaming.. You can web browse, play music, watch movies, upload twitch streams, record footage, voice/video chat with other gamers... And in the XBox One's case... Runs multiple Operating Systems concurrently and can multitask.

Hence why the consoles reserve more Ram than my Windows 10 Operating System uses.

Maybe you have forgotten that consoles have become more PC-like and that trend will only continue as we enter next gen?

Who cares? Vulkan is on PC? Developers can use it? Direct X 12 is far from being the only game in town.

No developer builds games directly to the metal anymore in machine code, it's a waste of time and money, especially with how good compilers are these days.

I have obviously already provided the evidence that the PC doesn't need raw extra performance in order to provide a console-level experience.

Not always.

Oh. So you are saying PC is cheaper?

From the information we have... Navi on the consoles will be deviating somewhat from the PC derivative of Navi and implementing dedicated Ray Tracing cores into the graphics processor.

Again, I have already provided evidence where it's not a guaranteed recipe for success relative to the machines that are being replaced.

(3DS, WiiU etc'.)

PC gamers play alone? The most popular games on PC are multiplayer games.

Majority of console games these days don't even allow for split-screen multiplayer these days.

Consoles are just becoming more PC-like, consoles need updating, games constantly need updating. - Everytime I turn my Xbox One X on... Chances are I  have 10's of Gigabytes worth of patches that needs to roll down the internet tubes and be applied... If that is "console convenience and simplicity" - You can keep it.

Path Tracing is Ray Tracing. Not all Ray Tracing is created equal... Games have been dipping their toes into the Ray Tracing waters for over a decade now to various degrees... It's being popularized now because of nVidia and what next-gen hardware might potentially bring to the table.

The biggest limitation to games currently is certainly lighting though, developers over the years have tried their best to 'fake' Ray tracing with baked lighting and so on which occurred heavily during the 7th gen.

I say reserve judgement until we see the games and hardware in action.

You better buy PC monitor with 1080p and  120hz refresh rate  for next gen if you planned to buy either of two, because i bet they will allow us to choose between performance (choosing frame rates over resolution) like with PS4 pro and Xbox One X. And PS5/Scarlet will have 120 fps capability with HDMI 2.1 and freesync. It's more cheaper especially  Freesync Monitor. 

I prefer a bigger display so you can sit further back. These monitors are always on the small side, and it's not always relaxing to sit up close. That's what the master race do and it reinforces their conceit.