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thismeintiel said:
Pemalite said:

No. Leftists don't want to strip freedoms away. No more than the far right.

Australia's strict gun laws were introduced by a right-wing conservative Government, it's been highly successful, that's all the evidence you need.
Many governments around the world are right-wing dictatorships which have massive restrictions on freedoms... So don't try and paint the left as the only bad guys in town, it's far from the real Truth.

New laws will help fix the problem, but it's also a cultural problem in the USA... Allot of your politicians are backed by the powerful gun lobbies.. Which flow on to various constituencies... It's a systemic top-to-bottom issue in the United States, far to many deep pockets and loud voices.

In short... The United States needs an Australian Port Arthur or a New Zealand Christchurch moment... Where the Government AND the people say "enough is enough" and actually get on the job and do something about it, I am just wondering how many more deaths it's going to take to get to that moment though?

Just remember though, new gun laws doesn't mean you cannot own guns, but it does mean that the likelihood of someone suffering from mental illness or has a criminal background and so on is less likely to own a gun.
Someone like Alex Jones for example who claims he suffers from "Psychosis" would never be allowed to own a gun... Myself, actually owns a gun for recreational purposes.

Right-wing dictatorships?  Care to name a few? I hope we aren't going to play the game of labeling Socialist dictatorships, like the Nazis and USSR, as right-wing, because that helps your argument. 

If you think the Nazis were socialist I don't even know what to tell you, you're just flat out wrong with that one and the worst part is you're so deep in your misinformation that I really doubt any amount of factual evidence or explaining will change your mind. Aside from that Islamic extremism is a right wing ideology or at the very least it's socially conservative. No it's not the same breed as Western conservatism but they're loosely under the same banner. Then there's Russia, not quite a dictatorship but definitely not a champion of human rights either.



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Just say it never happened, it is a government conspiracy and it is Fake News. Alex Jones sounds a lot like Trump.Holds his breath, starved of oxygen and speaks without thinking.



collint0101 said:
thismeintiel said:

Right-wing dictatorships?  Care to name a few? I hope we aren't going to play the game of labeling Socialist dictatorships, like the Nazis and USSR, as right-wing, because that helps your argument. 

If you think the Nazis were socialist I don't even know what to tell you, you're just flat out wrong with that one and the worst part is you're so deep in your misinformation that I really doubt any amount of factual evidence or explaining will change your mind. Aside from that Islamic extremism is a right wing ideology or at the very least it's socially conservative. No it's not the same breed as Western conservatism but they're loosely under the same banner. Then there's Russia, not quite a dictatorship but definitely not a champion of human rights either.

No.  You see what the problem is is that people who want Socialism either lie about it to others or allow themselves to be lied to.  Even if someone tells you they are Socialist (Hitler or Maduro), if their regime turns to shit, others will make up poor excuses for it to actually have been a right-wing regime so that it is never Socialism's fault.  Of course, all of history teaches us one thing.  It will always fail.  And fail miserably.

The truth is Socialism is a lie.  It is just a tool to get the ignorant to willfully give up all of their power to a dictatorship, with the promise of equality for all.  Look at the people in power who push Socialism here in the States.  Are any of them truly one with the people they so want to "lift up?"  Nope.  They all take advantage of the power/wealth they are given by being a politician/celebrity.  They have several homes.  Fly in private jets.  Drive expensive cars.  Funny thing is, they are also the ones who push for climate change measures, while being some of the biggest contributors, according to their own standards, to it.  You think they are going to give that up?  Hell no.  They will continue to be massive hypocrites while pushing their large, all-encompassing government agenda that involves less freedom and leisure for anyone not of the elite.  Of course, I don't believe they are hypocrites.  Just liars.



thismeintiel said:
collint0101 said:

No.  You see what the problem is is that people who want Socialism either lie about it to others or allow themselves to be lied to.  Even if someone tells you they are Socialist (Hitler or Maduro), if their regime turns to shit, others will make up poor excuses for it to actually have been a right-wing regime so that it is never Socialism's fault.  Of course, all of history teaches us one thing.  It will always fail.  And fail miserably.

The truth is Socialism is a lie.  It is just a tool to get the ignorant to willfully give up all of their power to a dictatorship, with the promise of equality for all.  Look at the people in power who push Socialism here in the States.  Are any of them truly one with the people they so want to "lift up?"  Nope.  They all take advantage of the power/wealth they are given by being a politician/celebrity.  They have several homes.  Fly in private jets.  Drive expensive cars.  Funny thing is, they are also the ones who push for climate change measures, while being some of the biggest contributors, according to their own standards, to it.  You think they are going to give that up?  Hell no.  They will continue to be massive hypocrites while pushing their large, all-encompassing government agenda that involves less freedom and leisure for anyone not of the elite.  Of course, I don't believe they are hypocrites.  Just liars.

Ignoring the rant about private Jets and what not what legitimately socialist policy did the Nazis put in place? Show me an example of the Nazis seizing the means of production. How did the Nazis eliminate the upper class and evenly redistribute wealth? Yes they had socialist policies but basically all nations have some form of socialist policies including the United States. Show me an example of an overtly socialist policy put in place by the Nazis that has no real equivalent in any largly capitalist society. 



Pemalite said:
o_O.Q said:

atrazine is not a conspiracy theory

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2842049/

furthermore endocrine disruptors in general are not a conspiracy theory

i mean i could do the same thing you guys are doing and claim that because the government has said we need to reduce the population for sustainability and products leaching endocrine disruptors are being promoted by the government then we can draw connections and say alex jones is right

but that would not be reasonable, i think what should be done is that we use the scientific method which is breaking things into parts and analysing them individually to form conclusions

No. It's a conspiracy theory.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atrazine#Amphibians

There is zero empirical evidence that follows the scientific method that supports Alex Jones's assertions.

And even if it did, Mammals and Amphibians are very different... Some Amphibians will change their sex if there is a lack of one sex in an environment.

o_O.Q said:

the second statement here does not logically follow from the first

you can have a preference for something without holding other things in contempt

If you have a preference for Heterosexuality in the general population, then you will generally hold it's opposite, Homosexuality in contempt, especially when you start conflating it with various crazy conspiracy theories.

o_O.Q said:

i never watched his videos(probably because its always been apparent to me that he's putting on an act) and this seems like an admission that currently there is no substantial evidence to claim he's against homosexuality

I have provided evidence.

"No. It's a conspiracy theory.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atrazine#Amphibians"

first off wikipedia is not a valid source of evidence but regardless, did you actually read this?

"Its principal finding was that susceptibility of wood frog tadpoles to infection by E. trivolvis is increased only when hosts were exposed to an atrazine concentration of 30 ng/L and not to 3 ng/L."

"A 2008 study reported that tadpoles developed deformed hearts and impaired kidneys and digestive systems when chronically exposed to atrazine concentrations of 10 ppm in their early stages of life."

"A 2010 Hayes study concluded that atrazine rendered 75% of male frogs sterile and turned one in 10 into females"

"In 2010, the Australian Pesticides and Veterinary Medicines Authority (APVMA) tentatively concluded that environmental atrazine "at existing levels of exposure" was not affecting amphibian populations in Australia consistent with the 2007 EPA findings."

the contention here is about what concentrations cause the frogs to become sterile and change their sex not that it doesn't happen at all

"And even if it did, Mammals and Amphibians are very different... Some Amphibians will change their sex if there is a lack of one sex in an environment."

yes mammals and amphibians are different but endocrine disruptors have adverse effects on both groups do dismiss that as a conspiracy theory is nonsensical

"If you have a preference for Heterosexuality in the general population, then you will generally hold it's opposite, Homosexuality in contempt"

you understand that you've pretty much described every human population that has ever existed right? its kind of necessary for most people to reproduce since that's kind of necessary to replace the people that die

that has nothing to do with homosexuality as a lifestyle, its simply a fact of reality

"especially when you start conflating it with various crazy conspiracy theories."

to reiterate endocrine disruptors being harmful, atrazine being one example is not a conspiracy theory

"I have provided evidence."

you apparently didn't read your own source



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thismeintiel said:

Right-wing dictatorships?  Care to name a few? I hope we aren't going to play the game of labeling Socialist dictatorships, like the Nazis and USSR, as right-wing, because that helps your argument. 

You mentioned Nazis and the USSR, not I. Thus mentioning either of those doesn't help your position one iota.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-wing_dictatorship

There is a good list, have at it.

thismeintiel said:

And drop it with the gun lobby BS.  Gun lobbies exist because we have millions of people who believe in the 2nd Amendment, and support those lobbies and the products that they protect, not the other way around.  And considering gun deaths have declined in America over the past few decades, I'm glad we will continue to have millions still who will think logically about this issue when tragedy strikes, instead of using emotion to try to strip away freedoms.

No. Gun lobbies exist because of Capitalism and legislation, there are lots of people who make allot of money out of Guns in the USA.
The NRA is a powerful organization that has admitted to interfering in American politics... And even in Australian politics.

https://www.news.com.au/national/politics/al-jazeera-releases-more-undercover-footage-of-one-nation-visits-with-nra/news-story/10449b3557197b8b3ce8761288da9c1a

thismeintiel said:

Also, fun fact:  There are more guns in Australia today than were at the time of the buyback.  Guess you should be for more guns then if it is doing so much good.  It seems to me that they just followed the same progression that the US, as well as many other countries, did, declining in overall crime rates over the past 25 years or so.

Let's throw some facts then shall we.
* Australia's rate of Gun Massacres plummeted after gun legislation was enacted.
* Australia's rate of Gun-related suicides plummeted after gun legislation was enacted.
* Australia's rate of Gun-related crime plummeted after gun legislation was enacted.

Australia's gun ownership in general plummeted after gun control was brought in, the fact there are more guns in the country today means that our current legislation works... And you don't loose access to guns... So you have nothing to fear as you ultimately loose nothing. - So don't you think it makes sense for the USA to bloody copy it!?

But that doesn't tell the entire story. Gun owners per capita is lower today than it was before gun legislation.

If you can't recognize the fact that gun legislation has saved lives in Australia, has proven to work and you still don't loose access to owning guns... Then I am not sure anyone could convince you of anything.

o_O.Q said:

"No. It's a conspiracy theory.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atrazine#Amphibians"

first off wikipedia is not a valid source of evidence but regardless, did you actually read this?


I often hear this argument, but no one has been able to place a credible reason as to why it cannot be a credible source.

The thing about Wikipedia is that... Yes it is open to editing, but your efforts are in vain if you don't have this thing called a "citation". - Citations are the little pieces of evidence that is used to build a Wikipedia article from, thus as new information comes to light, then so can a wikipedia article general stance on an issue... And thus Wikipedia is as always as accurate as the available evidence.

I think people just get upset because Wikipedia proves their position as incorrect and thus will throw the "non-legitimate" claim out there, just because.

So without further-ado... I still stand-by that wikipedia link... It's certainly more reliable than that nut job Alex Jones.

In saying that, I did read the entire article... And the general consensus is that there is no consensus. - Did you not read it in it's entirety and within it's intended context? Many of the studies found zero links.

So until there is undeniable evidence, we can discard yours and Alex Jones's position for now.

o_O.Q said:

"A 2008 study reported that tadpoles developed deformed hearts and impaired kidneys and digestive systems when chronically exposed to atrazine concentrations of 10 ppm in their early stages of life."

"A 2010 Hayes study concluded that atrazine rendered 75% of male frogs sterile and turned one in 10 into females"

"In 2010, the Australian Pesticides and Veterinary Medicines Authority (APVMA) tentatively concluded that environmental atrazine "at existing levels of exposure" was not affecting amphibian populations in Australia consistent with the 2007 EPA findings."

the contention here is about what concentrations cause the frogs to become sterile and change their sex not that it doesn't happen at all

"And even if it did, Mammals and Amphibians are very different... Some Amphibians will change their sex if there is a lack of one sex in an environment."

yes mammals and amphibians are different but endocrine disruptors have adverse effects on both groups do dismiss that as a conspiracy theory is nonsensical

One thing you learn about being in a Hazmat trained brigade... Is that all chemicals. All of them... Will have adverse effects depending on degree of concentration.

Again, there are a multitude of frog species that will change their gender without outside chemical influences. - In-fact, Jurassic Park played on this issue which allowed the Dinosaurs to breed.

At the end of the day though, you seem to have ignored the prior anti-homosexual stances that Alex Jones has propagated and intend to stick to this sticking  point, which I find very telling.

o_O.Q said:

"If you have a preference for Heterosexuality in the general population, then you will generally hold it's opposite, Homosexuality in contempt"

you understand that you've pretty much described every human population that has ever existed right? its kind of necessary for most people to reproduce since that's kind of necessary to replace the people that die

that has nothing to do with homosexuality as a lifestyle, its simply a fact of reality

You can be Homosexual and reproduce, making that argument entirely redundant.

o_O.Q said:

"especially when you start conflating it with various crazy conspiracy theories."

to reiterate endocrine disruptors being harmful, atrazine being one example is not a conspiracy theory

I never once stated they weren't harmful. Don't shift the goal posts.



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thismeintiel said:
Pemalite said:

No. Leftists don't want to strip freedoms away. No more than the far right.

Australia's strict gun laws were introduced by a right-wing conservative Government, it's been highly successful, that's all the evidence you need.
Many governments around the world are right-wing dictatorships which have massive restrictions on freedoms... So don't try and paint the left as the only bad guys in town, it's far from the real Truth.

New laws will help fix the problem, but it's also a cultural problem in the USA... Allot of your politicians are backed by the powerful gun lobbies.. Which flow on to various constituencies... It's a systemic top-to-bottom issue in the United States, far to many deep pockets and loud voices.

In short... The United States needs an Australian Port Arthur or a New Zealand Christchurch moment... Where the Government AND the people say "enough is enough" and actually get on the job and do something about it, I am just wondering how many more deaths it's going to take to get to that moment though?

Just remember though, new gun laws doesn't mean you cannot own guns, but it does mean that the likelihood of someone suffering from mental illness or has a criminal background and so on is less likely to own a gun.
Someone like Alex Jones for example who claims he suffers from "Psychosis" would never be allowed to own a gun... Myself, actually owns a gun for recreational purposes.

Right-wing dictatorships?  Care to name a few? I hope we aren't going to play the game of labeling Socialist dictatorships, like the Nazis and USSR, as right-wing, because that helps your argument. 

You know that Nazi stands for nationalsocialists, right? As in, just one word in it's original German, as it meant to be social towards the state, or nation (and by extension, the Nazi party), and not it's people, hence the name. The state of the state was everything that really counted, it's inhabitants were only meant to contribute to it. The only socialistic part of it was that they were using a semi-planned economy in so far that they had 3-year and 5-year plans as targets for the economy as a whole. The economy was actually pretty close to the state capitalism nowadays used in China, but that's the extent of socialism in Nazi Germany.

Because, since you seem to think Nazi Germany was a socialistic state, tell me what socialist policies did the Nazis put in place? I'm waiting.

And to name a few others, how about Irak under Saddam? Saudi-Arabia? Augusto Pinochet in Chile? The Shah in Persia (named Iran since the people deposed him)? Actually easier to just name all those dictators who the US instated as a counterbalance to the USSR specifically because they were not socialistic - and there are a lot of them!



o_O.Q said:
Chris Hu said:

He regularly claims that certain people are demons and witches or possessed  by the devil only religious nuts do stupid stuff like that, secular and non religious folks don't believe in demons and witches.  Also I guess you live under a rock or never followed the real news instead of your cult leader Alex Jones because on a regular basis there are news stories about religious leaders being exposed as being closeted homosexuals after being caught molesting their followers.

so you dropped the assertion about alex jones being part of a religious sect? why would you make a claim like that when you can't substantiate it?

"but in the real world Alex Jones is a major homophobic and religious nut"

all i'm asking for is that you substantiate your assertions

"He regularly claims that certain people are demons and witches or possessed  by the devil only religious nuts do stupid stuff like that"

can you give me a quote or a video demonstrating this behavior?

"Also I guess you live under a rock or never followed the real news instead of your cult leader Alex Jones because on a regular basis there are news stories about religious leaders being exposed as being closeted homosexuals after being caught molesting their followers."

lol my cult leader? which cult are you claiming i'm a part of i wonder?

you stated they were a ton of closeted homosexuals who were religious leaders, can you give me 5 names?

Do your own research and stop living under a rock.  Also your reading comprehension is piss poor I never said that Alex Jones is part of a religious sect I said he is a religious nut you can be a religious nut without being a part of any religious sect or church.  Anyway like I said before I'm done with you.



Bofferbrauer2 said:
thismeintiel said:

Right-wing dictatorships?  Care to name a few? I hope we aren't going to play the game of labeling Socialist dictatorships, like the Nazis and USSR, as right-wing, because that helps your argument. 

You know that Nazi stands for nationalsocialists, right? As in, just one word in it's original German, as it meant to be social towards the state, or nation (and by extension, the Nazi party), and not it's people, hence the name. The state of the state was everything that really counted, it's inhabitants were only meant to contribute to it. The only socialistic part of it was that they were using a semi-planned economy in so far that they had 3-year and 5-year plans as targets for the economy as a whole. The economy was actually pretty close to the state capitalism nowadays used in China, but that's the extent of socialism in Nazi Germany.

Because, since you seem to think Nazi Germany was a socialistic state, tell me what socialist policies did the Nazis put in place? I'm waiting.

And to name a few others, how about Irak under Saddam? Saudi-Arabia? Augusto Pinochet in Chile? The Shah in Persia (named Iran since the people deposed him)? Actually easier to just name all those dictators who the US instated as a counterbalance to the USSR specifically because they were not socialistic - and there are a lot of them!

The problem with certain Americans saying “Nazism was socialism” is that they are equating terms that don’t translate. The word for the the society of Nazism in English is not socialism, but fascism. A far right-wing government that is NOT about equality, but mandates hierarchy, and subscribes to the belief that the Aryan master race is genetically superior to all other races. They would place people of lower perceived genetics at lower parts of society: Jews were enslaved and eventually put to death as a means of strengthening the gene pool. The plan was to exterminate 3/4ths of the slavs and enslave the remainder.

The people who believe the Nazis were left-wing socialists are the sorts of people that suffer from the psychosis (I would say mental deficiency) that makes them believe in things like “Sandyhook was faked.” They lack the mental capacity to logically deduce what is reality and what is fiction. Statements like “So many things have been faked by the government, how could I know?” says all you need to know about their limitations; normal people can easily determine these things. What’s worse is at the same time, they believe they are experts on things they don’t really know anything about. Their lack of intellect makes them incapable of appreciating the appropriate depth of knowledge one needs to understand a subject on even the most basic level.



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Pemalite said:
thismeintiel said:

Right-wing dictatorships?  Care to name a few? I hope we aren't going to play the game of labeling Socialist dictatorships, like the Nazis and USSR, as right-wing, because that helps your argument. 

You mentioned Nazis and the USSR, not I. Thus mentioning either of those doesn't help your position one iota.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-wing_dictatorship

There is a good list, have at it.

thismeintiel said:

And drop it with the gun lobby BS.  Gun lobbies exist because we have millions of people who believe in the 2nd Amendment, and support those lobbies and the products that they protect, not the other way around.  And considering gun deaths have declined in America over the past few decades, I'm glad we will continue to have millions still who will think logically about this issue when tragedy strikes, instead of using emotion to try to strip away freedoms.

No. Gun lobbies exist because of Capitalism and legislation, there are lots of people who make allot of money out of Guns in the USA.
The NRA is a powerful organization that has admitted to interfering in American politics... And even in Australian politics.

https://www.news.com.au/national/politics/al-jazeera-releases-more-undercover-footage-of-one-nation-visits-with-nra/news-story/10449b3557197b8b3ce8761288da9c1a

thismeintiel said:

Also, fun fact:  There are more guns in Australia today than were at the time of the buyback.  Guess you should be for more guns then if it is doing so much good.  It seems to me that they just followed the same progression that the US, as well as many other countries, did, declining in overall crime rates over the past 25 years or so.

Let's throw some facts then shall we.
* Australia's rate of Gun Massacres plummeted after gun legislation was enacted.
* Australia's rate of Gun-related suicides plummeted after gun legislation was enacted.
* Australia's rate of Gun-related crime plummeted after gun legislation was enacted.

Australia's gun ownership in general plummeted after gun control was brought in, the fact there are more guns in the country today means that our current legislation works... And you don't loose access to guns... So you have nothing to fear as you ultimately loose nothing. - So don't you think it makes sense for the USA to bloody copy it!?

But that doesn't tell the entire story. Gun owners per capita is lower today than it was before gun legislation.

If you can't recognize the fact that gun legislation has saved lives in Australia, has proven to work and you still don't loose access to owning guns... Then I am not sure anyone could convince you of anything.

o_O.Q said:

"No. It's a conspiracy theory.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atrazine#Amphibians"

first off wikipedia is not a valid source of evidence but regardless, did you actually read this?


I often hear this argument, but no one has been able to place a credible reason as to why it cannot be a credible source.

The thing about Wikipedia is that... Yes it is open to editing, but your efforts are in vain if you don't have this thing called a "citation". - Citations are the little pieces of evidence that is used to build a Wikipedia article from, thus as new information comes to light, then so can a wikipedia article general stance on an issue... And thus Wikipedia is as always as accurate as the available evidence.

I think people just get upset because Wikipedia proves their position as incorrect and thus will throw the "non-legitimate" claim out there, just because.

So without further-ado... I still stand-by that wikipedia link... It's certainly more reliable than that nut job Alex Jones.

In saying that, I did read the entire article... And the general consensus is that there is no consensus. - Did you not read it in it's entirety and within it's intended context? Many of the studies found zero links.

So until there is undeniable evidence, we can discard yours and Alex Jones's position for now.

o_O.Q said:

"A 2008 study reported that tadpoles developed deformed hearts and impaired kidneys and digestive systems when chronically exposed to atrazine concentrations of 10 ppm in their early stages of life."

"A 2010 Hayes study concluded that atrazine rendered 75% of male frogs sterile and turned one in 10 into females"

"In 2010, the Australian Pesticides and Veterinary Medicines Authority (APVMA) tentatively concluded that environmental atrazine "at existing levels of exposure" was not affecting amphibian populations in Australia consistent with the 2007 EPA findings."

the contention here is about what concentrations cause the frogs to become sterile and change their sex not that it doesn't happen at all

"And even if it did, Mammals and Amphibians are very different... Some Amphibians will change their sex if there is a lack of one sex in an environment."

yes mammals and amphibians are different but endocrine disruptors have adverse effects on both groups do dismiss that as a conspiracy theory is nonsensical

One thing you learn about being in a Hazmat trained brigade... Is that all chemicals. All of them... Will have adverse effects depending on degree of concentration.

Again, there are a multitude of frog species that will change their gender without outside chemical influences. - In-fact, Jurassic Park played on this issue which allowed the Dinosaurs to breed.

At the end of the day though, you seem to have ignored the prior anti-homosexual stances that Alex Jones has propagated and intend to stick to this sticking  point, which I find very telling.

o_O.Q said:

"If you have a preference for Heterosexuality in the general population, then you will generally hold it's opposite, Homosexuality in contempt"

you understand that you've pretty much described every human population that has ever existed right? its kind of necessary for most people to reproduce since that's kind of necessary to replace the people that die

that has nothing to do with homosexuality as a lifestyle, its simply a fact of reality

You can be Homosexual and reproduce, making that argument entirely redundant.

o_O.Q said:

"especially when you start conflating it with various crazy conspiracy theories."

to reiterate endocrine disruptors being harmful, atrazine being one example is not a conspiracy theory

I never once stated they weren't harmful. Don't shift the goal posts.

"Again, there are a multitude of frog species that will change their gender without outside chemical influences. "

which is completely irrelevant so i don't understand why you keep bringing this up, the point is that endocrine disruptors are harmful, we have examples of the harm they have caused to other animals and to us also

the information is all there on the internet 

"At the end of the day though, you seem to have ignored the prior anti-homosexual stances that Alex Jones has propagated"

as i've said previously i never followed his content so i'm unaware of what his stances were on various issues, which is why i was depending on you and others to show evidence and so far i'm not seeing much

"which I find very telling."

what are you trying to imply here? that i'm against homosexuality? lol 

"You can be Homosexual and reproduce, making that argument entirely redundant."

this has only been the case in recent history, the point i'm making is that you are trying to argue that the requirements for sustaining a healthy population throughout the course of history up until fairly recently meant that society had to hold homosexuality in contempt and i don't see how you can make that argument

for example, that's like saying that people driving cars have to hold people riding bikes in contempt

"I never once stated they weren't harmful. Don't shift the goal posts."

you've been saying from the start that alex jones talking about how harmful endocrine disruptors are is a conspiracy theory