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Pemalite said:
o_O.Q said:

he's not against homosexuality

He is certainly against Homosexuality and everything to do with the LGBTQI community.
He also has theistic beliefs.

https://www.them.us/story/alex-jones-platform-ban

Homosexuals are recruiting children.
https://www.salon.com/2013/06/27/that_time_alex_jones_said_the_government_is_turning_people_gay/

Or how Same-Sex Marriage will pave the way for pedophile rights.
https://www.infowars.com/gay-rights-victory-opens-door-for-pedo-politicians/

Let's not forget the Gay frogs.

No way is he a friend to the LGBTQI community that I am a part of... Plain and simple.

Alex Jones is the propagator of conspiracy theories and fake news.

the-pi-guy said:

On the contrary I listen to conservatives a lot more. 

I became a liberal because I listened to my right wing family members. 

It's interesting, because when I was younger I used to hold extremely strong conservative values... But as I got older and grew up, my values changed substantially and I drifted towards the center..
I think recognizing my own sexuality proved to be a pivotal turning point there.. And I drifted away from my 7th Day Adventist religious leanings to Atheism and Science.
Honestly wish more people would do the same, the world would be a better place for it.

o_O.Q said:

can you actually quote alex jones where he says he's against homosexuals and transsexuals?

or is it just going to be assertions?

When any individual conflates Homosexuality with Pedophilia... They are against Homosexuality. It's that simple.

The fact he is willing to run with bat-shit-crazy conspiracy theories without any substantiated evidence like "Chemical Gay Warfare" just shows he holds Homosexuality in contempt, because he would prefer people to be straight.

The other issue is that allot of his Youtube stuff has been removed where he spoke against the LGBTQI community... In the end, if it walks like a duck... Talks like a duck...

"The fact he is willing to run with bat-shit-crazy conspiracy theories without any substantiated evidence like "Chemical Gay Warfare""

atrazine is not a conspiracy theory

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2842049/

furthermore endocrine disruptors in general are not a conspiracy theory

i mean i could do the same thing you guys are doing and claim that because the government has said we need to reduce the population for sustainability and products leaching endocrine disruptors are being promoted by the government then we can draw connections and say alex jones is right

but that would not be reasonable, i think what should be done is that we use the scientific method which is breaking things into parts and analysing them individually to form conclusions

" just shows he holds Homosexuality in contempt, because he would prefer people to be straight."

the second statement here does not logically follow from the first

you can have a preference for something without holding other things in contempt

"The other issue is that allot of his Youtube stuff has been removed where he spoke against the LGBTQI community"

i never watched his videos(probably because its always been apparent to me that he's putting on an act) and this seems like an admission that currently there is no substantial evidence to claim he's against homosexuality



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Chris Hu said:
o_O.Q said:

can you actually quote alex jones where he says he's against homosexuals and transsexuals?

or is it just going to be assertions?

"See besides being a regular nut he also is a religious nut"

what religion is alex jones a part of? can you post his declaration of which religious sect he is a part of?

" even though a ton of them are self hating closeted homosexuals."

do you have statistics to back this assertion?

He regularly claims that certain people are demons and witches or possessed  by the devil only religious nuts do stupid stuff like that, secular and non religious folks don't believe in demons and witches.  Also I guess you live under a rock or never followed the real news instead of your cult leader Alex Jones because on a regular basis there are news stories about religious leaders being exposed as being closeted homosexuals after being caught molesting their followers.

so you dropped the assertion about alex jones being part of a religious sect? why would you make a claim like that when you can't substantiate it?

"but in the real world Alex Jones is a major homophobic and religious nut"

all i'm asking for is that you substantiate your assertions

"He regularly claims that certain people are demons and witches or possessed  by the devil only religious nuts do stupid stuff like that"

can you give me a quote or a video demonstrating this behavior?

"Also I guess you live under a rock or never followed the real news instead of your cult leader Alex Jones because on a regular basis there are news stories about religious leaders being exposed as being closeted homosexuals after being caught molesting their followers."

lol my cult leader? which cult are you claiming i'm a part of i wonder?

you stated they were a ton of closeted homosexuals who were religious leaders, can you give me 5 names?



o_O.Q said:

atrazine is not a conspiracy theory

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2842049/

furthermore endocrine disruptors in general are not a conspiracy theory

i mean i could do the same thing you guys are doing and claim that because the government has said we need to reduce the population for sustainability and products leaching endocrine disruptors are being promoted by the government then we can draw connections and say alex jones is right

but that would not be reasonable, i think what should be done is that we use the scientific method which is breaking things into parts and analysing them individually to form conclusions

No. It's a conspiracy theory.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atrazine#Amphibians

There is zero empirical evidence that follows the scientific method that supports Alex Jones's assertions.

And even if it did, Mammals and Amphibians are very different... Some Amphibians will change their sex if there is a lack of one sex in an environment.

o_O.Q said:

the second statement here does not logically follow from the first

you can have a preference for something without holding other things in contempt

If you have a preference for Heterosexuality in the general population, then you will generally hold it's opposite, Homosexuality in contempt, especially when you start conflating it with various crazy conspiracy theories.

o_O.Q said:

i never watched his videos(probably because its always been apparent to me that he's putting on an act) and this seems like an admission that currently there is no substantial evidence to claim he's against homosexuality

I have provided evidence.



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thismeintiel said:
collint0101 said:

It is an organized political debate, like there was legitimately a televised debate between the head of the NRA and gun rights advocates after parkland. This is just a dishonest deflection tactic. Tragedy is a call for action, a reason to have these conversations. If we just bury our heads in the sand and wait for some kind of grace period we're just running the clock until the next big shooting. 

The point is that Leftists wish to strip freedoms away when people are emotional, which is the worst time to make decisions. The fact is many shootings happen because current laws are not being followed and plenty of politicians have admitted as such, as well as the fact that their new laws wouldn't have stopped whatever shooting just occurred. New laws will not fix that problem.

I'm not even of the mindset that gun control will suddenly end all mass shootings but constantly trying to deflect or end the conversation with this "it's too soon" narrative doesn't help anything. The conversation needs to be had and this nation as a whole really needs to look into our current gun laws and any potential flaws but shutting the the conversation and simply assuming that gun control won't work or it's entirely about taking away rights is asinine. 



Pemalite said:
thismeintiel said:

The point is that Leftists wish to strip freedoms away when people are emotional, which is the worst time to make decisions. The fact is many shootings happen because current laws are not being followed and plenty of politicians have admitted as such, as well as the fact that their new laws wouldn't have stopped whatever shooting just occurred. New laws will not fix that problem.

No. Leftists don't want to strip freedoms away. No more than the far right.

Australia's strict gun laws were introduced by a right-wing conservative Government, it's been highly successful, that's all the evidence you need.
Many governments around the world are right-wing dictatorships which have massive restrictions on freedoms... So don't try and paint the left as the only bad guys in town, it's far from the real Truth.

New laws will help fix the problem, but it's also a cultural problem in the USA... Allot of your politicians are backed by the powerful gun lobbies.. Which flow on to various constituencies... It's a systemic top-to-bottom issue in the United States, far to many deep pockets and loud voices.

In short... The United States needs an Australian Port Arthur or a New Zealand Christchurch moment... Where the Government AND the people say "enough is enough" and actually get on the job and do something about it, I am just wondering how many more deaths it's going to take to get to that moment though?

Just remember though, new gun laws doesn't mean you cannot own guns, but it does mean that the likelihood of someone suffering from mental illness or has a criminal background and so on is less likely to own a gun.
Someone like Alex Jones for example who claims he suffers from "Psychosis" would never be allowed to own a gun... Myself, actually owns a gun for recreational purposes.

Right-wing dictatorships?  Care to name a few? I hope we aren't going to play the game of labeling Socialist dictatorships, like the Nazis and USSR, as right-wing, because that helps your argument. 

And drop it with the gun lobby BS.  Gun lobbies exist because we have millions of people who believe in the 2nd Amendment, and support those lobbies and the products that they protect, not the other way around.  And considering gun deaths have declined in America over the past few decades, I'm glad we will continue to have millions still who will think logically about this issue when tragedy strikes, instead of using emotion to try to strip away freedoms.

Also, fun fact:  There are more guns in Australia today than were at the time of the buyback.  Guess you should be for more guns then if it is doing so much good.  It seems to me that they just followed the same progression that the US, as well as many other countries, did, declining in overall crime rates over the past 25 years or so.

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thismeintiel said:

Right-wing dictatorships?  Care to name a few? I hope we aren't going to play the game of labeling Socialist dictatorships, like the Nazis.

Ah, classic.



sundin13 said:
thismeintiel said:

Right-wing dictatorships?  Care to name a few? I hope we aren't going to play the game of labeling Socialist dictatorships, like the Nazis.

Ah, classic.

And yet, some strange game people like to continue to play.



Good old Alex Jones. It never happened. It was Fake News. It was all staged by the government.



thismeintiel said:
sundin13 said:

Ah, classic.

And yet, some strange game people like to continue to play.

I was mocking you and your trite rhetoric, sir, though I apologize for the confusion.



sundin13 said:
thismeintiel said:

And yet, some strange game people like to continue to play.

I was mocking you and your trite rhetoric, sir, though I apologize for the confusion.

Lol, sorry for yours. I knew you were mocking me, so I did the same. Play on.