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collint0101 said:
o_O.Q said:

That era doesn't exist anymore and we're not going back to it. The only way to actually prevent information from spreading would be to regulate the internet which simply isn't happening because that legitimately would be a freedom of speech violation. Your entire argument is about hypotheticals and what if scenarios. There's always going to be a worse or crazier what if situation but practically speaking it's not going to happen

i've realised that you aren't actually addressing what i'm asking you, please answer this question directly

would you be ok with religious groups stopping speaking engagements about the origins of the universe within the scientific community and forcing their only channel for discussion online

'Your entire argument is about hypotheticals and what if scenarios."

yes because the way to examine if a principle is sound is addressing the potential scenarios that test its stability

and i'm thinking that yours is not consistent and its based on who you agree with which is not good

"That era doesn't exist anymore and we're not going back to it."

ironically to me the atheist community today is the greatest indicator of how wrong this is as an argument



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o_O.Q said:
collint0101 said:

i've realised that you aren't actually addressing what i'm asking you, please answer this question directly

would you be ok with religious groups stopping speaking engagements about the origins of the universe within the scientific community and forcing their only channel for discussion online

'Your entire argument is about hypotheticals and what if scenarios."

yes because the way to examine if a principle is sound is addressing the potential scenarios that test its stability

and i'm thinking that yours is not consistent and its based on who you agree with which is not good

"That era doesn't exist anymore and we're not going back to it."

ironically to me the atheist community today is the greatest indicator of how wrong this is as an argument

If the religious protest end up shutting down the event then yeah, fine, fair enough. That information can be posted online, presented at a private event or simply presented in a place that isn't populated by angry religious nuts. Who am I to say their protest shouldn't exist or doesn't have the right to be successful. Freedom of speech protects everyone's reactions to speech whether that be liberals in California or Catholics in the middle of the Bible belt 



o_O.Q said:
vivster said:

Oh come on, you know as well as I do that he is against most liberal values. His fucking audience is 99% on the right while the last 1% doesn't know where left or right is.

like what? give me examples or all you have is assertions

he's not against homosexuality

he's not against women's rights

he's for smaller government (a liberal value in case you didn't know )

etc etc etc

oh and btw "liberal" and "left" are not the same, some liberal values are housed on the "right" and others on the "left"

Alex Jones is very much against homosexuals and trans people even though he likes to watch trans porn.  See besides being a regular nut he also is a religious nut and all religious nuts are against homosexuals even though a ton of them are self hating closeted homosexuals.



Chris Hu said:
o_O.Q said:

like what? give me examples or all you have is assertions

he's not against homosexuality

he's not against women's rights

he's for smaller government (a liberal value in case you didn't know )

etc etc etc

oh and btw "liberal" and "left" are not the same, some liberal values are housed on the "right" and others on the "left"

Alex Jones is very much against homosexuals and trans people even though he likes to watch trans porn.  See besides being a regular nut he also is a religious nut and all religious nuts are against homosexuals even though a ton of them are self hating closeted homosexuals.

can you actually quote alex jones where he says he's against homosexuals and transsexuals?

or is it just going to be assertions?

"See besides being a regular nut he also is a religious nut"

what religion is alex jones a part of? can you post his declaration of which religious sect he is a part of?

" even though a ton of them are self hating closeted homosexuals."

do you have statistics to back this assertion?



o_O.Q said:
vivster said:

Oh come on, you know as well as I do that he is against most liberal values. His fucking audience is 99% on the right while the last 1% doesn't know where left or right is.

he's not against homosexuality

He is certainly against Homosexuality and everything to do with the LGBTQI community.
He also has theistic beliefs.

https://www.them.us/story/alex-jones-platform-ban

Homosexuals are recruiting children.
https://www.salon.com/2013/06/27/that_time_alex_jones_said_the_government_is_turning_people_gay/

Or how Same-Sex Marriage will pave the way for pedophile rights.
https://www.infowars.com/gay-rights-victory-opens-door-for-pedo-politicians/

Let's not forget the Gay frogs.

No way is he a friend to the LGBTQI community that I am a part of... Plain and simple.

Alex Jones is the propagator of conspiracy theories and fake news.

the-pi-guy said:
Snoopy said:

You're part of the problem. Not even trying to look on both sides of the spectrum. I guess that just you being open-minded.

On the contrary I listen to conservatives a lot more. 

I became a liberal because I listened to my right wing family members. 

It's interesting, because when I was younger I used to hold extremely strong conservative values... But as I got older and grew up, my values changed substantially and I drifted towards the center..
I think recognizing my own sexuality proved to be a pivotal turning point there.. And I drifted away from my 7th Day Adventist religious leanings to Atheism and Science.
Honestly wish more people would do the same, the world would be a better place for it.

o_O.Q said:

can you actually quote alex jones where he says he's against homosexuals and transsexuals?

or is it just going to be assertions?

When any individual conflates Homosexuality with Pedophilia... They are against Homosexuality. It's that simple.

The fact he is willing to run with bat-shit-crazy conspiracy theories without any substantiated evidence like "Chemical Gay Warfare" just shows he holds Homosexuality in contempt, because he would prefer people to be straight.

The other issue is that allot of his Youtube stuff has been removed where he spoke against the LGBTQI community... In the end, if it walks like a duck... Talks like a duck...



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o_O.Q said:
Chris Hu said:

Alex Jones is very much against homosexuals and trans people even though he likes to watch trans porn.  See besides being a regular nut he also is a religious nut and all religious nuts are against homosexuals even though a ton of them are self hating closeted homosexuals.

can you actually quote alex jones where he says he's against homosexuals and transsexuals?

or is it just going to be assertions?

"See besides being a regular nut he also is a religious nut"

what religion is alex jones a part of? can you post his declaration of which religious sect he is a part of?

" even though a ton of them are self hating closeted homosexuals."

do you have statistics to back this assertion?

He regularly claims that certain people are demons and witches or possessed  by the devil only religious nuts do stupid stuff like that, secular and non religious folks don't believe in demons and witches.  Also I guess you live under a rock or never followed the real news instead of your cult leader Alex Jones because on a regular basis there are news stories about religious leaders being exposed as being closeted homosexuals after being caught molesting their followers.



o_O.Q said:
Chris Hu said:

Alex Jones is very much against homosexuals and trans people even though he likes to watch trans porn.  See besides being a regular nut he also is a religious nut and all religious nuts are against homosexuals even though a ton of them are self hating closeted homosexuals.

can you actually quote alex jones where he says he's against homosexuals and transsexuals?

or is it just going to be assertions?

"See besides being a regular nut he also is a religious nut"

what religion is alex jones a part of? can you post his declaration of which religious sect he is a part of?

" even though a ton of them are self hating closeted homosexuals."

do you have statistics to back this assertion?

Anyway I'm done talking to you since like living in a alternate universe with alternate facts but in the real world Alex Jones is a major homophobic and religious nut on top of all that he has many other mental issues. 



collint0101 said:
Snoopy said:

At an organize political debate. Also, statistically there has been less gun related deaths since 1990's. Showing again, the problem isn't guns. 

It is an organized political debate, like there was legitimately a televised debate between the head of the NRA and gun rights advocates after parkland. This is just a dishonest deflection tactic. Tragedy is a call for action, a reason to have these conversations. If we just bury our heads in the sand and wait for some kind of grace period we're just running the clock until the next big shooting. 

The point is that Leftists wish to strip freedoms away when people are emotional, which is the worst time to make decisions. The fact is many shootings happen because current laws are not being followed and plenty of politicians have admitted as such, as well as the fact that their new laws wouldn't have stopped whatever shooting just occurred. New laws will not fix that problem.

Snoopy said: 

I won't lie, I thought something was up back in the day with Sandyhook. We were getting a bunch of mass shootings out of nowhere. The father laughing after his child was killed was weird. Not to mention the media didn't help at all when they were pushing their gun control agenda shortly after the shooting instead of giving us more information. I don't think it is a hoax now or even back then. I just questioned it all because it was just a bizarre situation.

I haven't kept up with Alex Jones, but from what I heard he is being sued by sandy hook parents. The problem I have is unless he told people to harass them, he shouldn't be sued. Reminds me a little of the situation where the president got blamed for Jews being killed in a synagogue after criticizing George Soros. 

@ bold

I think this is what sparked the conspiracies. Him joking around and approaching the podium while smiling, then behaving like an actor trying to pump himself up before they start shooting an emotional scene, just seemed off to most people. I think he was just a piece of shit who didn't give a damn about his daughter and just liked the spotlight.



the-pi-guy said:
Snoopy said:

You're part of the problem. Not even trying to look on both sides of the spectrum. I guess that just you being open-minded.

On the contrary I listen to conservatives a lot more. 

I became a liberal because I listened to my right wing family members. 

That isn't the point. You are willing to call one media outlet and not the other. I call them all out unless they're tyt or daily wire because at least they have the guts to say their political affiliation.



thismeintiel said:

The point is that Leftists wish to strip freedoms away when people are emotional, which is the worst time to make decisions. The fact is many shootings happen because current laws are not being followed and plenty of politicians have admitted as such, as well as the fact that their new laws wouldn't have stopped whatever shooting just occurred. New laws will not fix that problem.

No. Leftists don't want to strip freedoms away. No more than the far right.

Australia's strict gun laws were introduced by a right-wing conservative Government, it's been highly successful, that's all the evidence you need.
Many governments around the world are right-wing dictatorships which have massive restrictions on freedoms... So don't try and paint the left as the only bad guys in town, it's far from the real Truth.

New laws will help fix the problem, but it's also a cultural problem in the USA... Allot of your politicians are backed by the powerful gun lobbies.. Which flow on to various constituencies... It's a systemic top-to-bottom issue in the United States, far to many deep pockets and loud voices.

In short... The United States needs an Australian Port Arthur or a New Zealand Christchurch moment... Where the Government AND the people say "enough is enough" and actually get on the job and do something about it, I am just wondering how many more deaths it's going to take to get to that moment though?

Just remember though, new gun laws doesn't mean you cannot own guns, but it does mean that the likelihood of someone suffering from mental illness or has a criminal background and so on is less likely to own a gun.
Someone like Alex Jones for example who claims he suffers from "Psychosis" would never be allowed to own a gun... Myself, actually owns a gun for recreational purposes.



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