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LurkerJ said:

So Krystal and Saagar left the Hill and started their own youtube channel. The quality of their content is as excellent as ever It really pays to be the writer of your own show and the owner of your critical thinking brain, something traditional TV pundits never had and still do not. If you liked their content before, you should subscribe to them, if you haven't heard of them before, you should give them a go! 

Anyway, one of the baffling moments of 2020 elections was how JoRo endorsement of Bernie was met with disdain from a lot of lefties (including here) and I just didn't get it. How can one lump JoRo with right-wing pundits let alone far-right wing extremists? Making objectively laughable wrong statements about the guy? I think this segment in particular is the best defense JoRo has received and also explains why he's perceived falsely by many.

If you wish to grapple with the political consequences of pushing away Rogan, you also have to acknowledge the consequences of welcoming him. To welcome him to the left, you largely have to extend a hand to his brand of "anti-PC" bigotry. This is largely the antithesis of the social left, so I can't imagine what that would look like. 

I'm personally not good with that. While Rogan is not a far-right extremist, he is an idiot with a lot of real bad, right wing takes and comments who often gives a platform to the far-right without sufficiently pushing back on them. He should not be welcomed as part of the left, and he should routinely be criticized for his routine idiocy. He doesn't deserve to be celebrated for having a take that isn't shit every once in a while. 

I find it interesting that Krystal Ball doesn't even really try to grapple with this tradeoff, which largely makes the video worthless, imo. 



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sundin13 said:
LurkerJ said:

So Krystal and Saagar left the Hill and started their own youtube channel. The quality of their content is as excellent as ever It really pays to be the writer of your own show and the owner of your critical thinking brain, something traditional TV pundits never had and still do not. If you liked their content before, you should subscribe to them, if you haven't heard of them before, you should give them a go! 

Anyway, one of the baffling moments of 2020 elections was how JoRo endorsement of Bernie was met with disdain from a lot of lefties (including here) and I just didn't get it. How can one lump JoRo with right-wing pundits let alone far-right wing extremists? Making objectively laughable wrong statements about the guy? I think this segment in particular is the best defense JoRo has received and also explains why he's perceived falsely by many.

If you wish to grapple with the political consequences of pushing away Rogan, you also have to acknowledge the consequences of welcoming him. To welcome him to the left, you largely have to extend a hand to his brand of "anti-PC" bigotry. This is largely the antithesis of the social left, so I can't imagine what that would look like. 

I'm personally not good with that. While Rogan is not a far-right extremist, he is an idiot with a lot of real bad, right wing takes and comments who often gives a platform to the far-right without sufficiently pushing back on them. He should not be welcomed as part of the left, and he should routinely be criticized for his routine idiocy. He doesn't deserve to be celebrated for having a take that isn't shit every once in a while. 

I find it interesting that Krystal Ball doesn't even really try to grapple with this tradeoff, which largely makes the video worthless, imo. 

What's more worthless is your attempt at branding JoRO with a bunch of labels without backing it up your claims.

The guy has a total of 1,670 UNSCRIPTED podcasts published since 2013; averaging 3 hours each; 5k hours in total. He's not hiding behind a keyboard calculating everything he says like you do. Most people with that number of recorded video/audio will end up sounding stupid a lot more than he would've liked because... he's a human. Very few with that number of recorded hours will come off as "pure enough" for the modern left. Who said anything about not criticising him anyway? 



LurkerJ said:

What's more worthless is your attempt at branding JoRO with a bunch of labels without backing it up your claims.

The guy has a total of 1,670 UNSCRIPTED podcasts published since 2013; averaging 3 hours each; 5k hours in total. He's not hiding behind a keyboard calculating everything he says like you do. Most people with that number of recorded video/audio will end up sounding stupid a lot more than he would've liked because... he's a human. Very few with that number of recorded hours will come off as "pure enough" for the modern left. Who said anything about not criticising him anyway? 

And why should we validate this brand of pseudo-intellectual bullshit, where he regularly makes dumb-ass statements about things that he knows nothing about? Like, after the recent controversy regarding vaccination, he said something to the effect of "I'm a fucking moron and I'm not a respected source of information". I agree. I think it is damaging to validate this type of "Idiot talks about things that he knows nothing about" content as being more than worthless drivel. If you don't know what you are talking about, you shouldn't be talking about it to millions of people, and you shouldn't be welcoming far-right voices to talk on your show when you lack the tools to challenge them.

As for "who said anything about not criticizing him", well, Krystal Ball wants the left to treat Rogan more like the right treats Rogan, and how does the right treat him? Largely by celebrating when he says something they like and not paying much attention to the rest. 



Pakman gives a nice breakdown and prime example of the right wing propaganda pipeline. Baseless conjecture gets dressed up as hypothetical evidence. Said hearsay is then signal boosted and repackaged repeatedly until a completely baseless conspiracy theory makes its way to Capitol Hill. Disgusting.



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TallSilhouette said:

Pakman gives a nice breakdown and prime example of the right wing propaganda pipeline. Baseless conjecture gets dressed up as hypothetical evidence. Said hearsay is then signal boosted and repackaged repeatedly until a completely baseless conspiracy theory makes its way to Capitol Hill. Disgusting.

This is actually a really good break down of exactly how misinformation is played up in today's social media environment.  The transition from it could to actually stating it as a fact in the first part of the video is pro level work.



The Establishment Declares WAR On Nina Turner - Corp Dems, Big Oil, Big Pharma, Fox News, Wall Street are fund raising for Turners primary opponent Shontel Brown in Ohio congressional race

The Establishment, including in the Dems are actively trying to bring down Nina Turner (previous national co-chair of the Bernie Sanders 2020 presidential campaign and democratic socialist) 

It is feared by the Establishment Dems that she will disrupt their 'business as usual' model going forward, she is a very strong advocate for M4A, Tuition free college Education, making Israel accountable, The Green New Deal, destroying the exploitation of Big Pharma, higher minimum wages, stronger unions, much higher taxes on the Rich, and many other socialist/progressive policies 

The system has united against her 

  



sundin13 said:
LurkerJ said:

What's more worthless is your attempt at branding JoRO with a bunch of labels without backing it up your claims.

The guy has a total of 1,670 UNSCRIPTED podcasts published since 2013; averaging 3 hours each; 5k hours in total. He's not hiding behind a keyboard calculating everything he says like you do. Most people with that number of recorded video/audio will end up sounding stupid a lot more than he would've liked because... he's a human. Very few with that number of recorded hours will come off as "pure enough" for the modern left. Who said anything about not criticising him anyway? 

And why should we validate this brand of pseudo-intellectual bullshit, where he regularly makes dumb-ass statements about things that he knows nothing about? Like, after the recent controversy regarding vaccination, he said something to the effect of "I'm a fucking moron and I'm not a respected source of information". I agree. I think it is damaging to validate this type of "Idiot talks about things that he knows nothing about" content as being more than worthless drivel. If you don't know what you are talking about, you shouldn't be talking about it to millions of people, and you shouldn't be welcoming far-right voices to talk on your show when you lack the tools to challenge them.

As for "who said anything about not criticizing him", well, Krystal Ball wants the left to treat Rogan more like the right treats Rogan, and how does the right treat him? Largely by celebrating when he says something they like and not paying much attention to the rest. 

You're dumbing down the conversation by taking whatever he or Krystal or me said and turning it into another labels & silly questions game. Well-done, the twitter left has taught you well. 

Validation? lol. That ship has sailed long ago, and the left has embraced him whether the twitter-left like to admit it or not. Andrew Yang, Bernie Sanders, Tulsi, Sam Harris, Krystal & Saagar, the co-founder of Justice Democrats (Kyle), and David Packman are some of the few who have no problem appearing on his show and helped bridge the gap and he has the fastest growing podcast among whichever demographic, even the crazy lefties that I don't follow anymore like Dore and TYT don't have a problem with the guy. That's ignoring the Hollywood and Billboard Hillary-loving figures like Miley Cyrus and Demi Lovato. More importantly, if you step out of the tribalistic shithole, you'd know that Harvard professors like the amazing David Sinclair and other renowned biologists, doctors, and tech CEOs make regular valuable appearances on his show and chime in with the latest scientific discoveries or emphasising old-new knowledge. His show can be as intellectual as it can get for most people but also can be casual chats that people enjoy listening to. Your poor attempt at boxing his show under "pseudo-intellectual" is baseless, tell it to the scientists appearing on his show. He's a learner and he's doing more to educate his listeners by bringing such diverse talents to his table. And hey, Biden might want to leverage his new position and send another interview request to JoRo, he just might be able to fit him in now that he is a president. Would that "validate" him for you? 

And what is the twitter-left bar for validating (lol) anything or anyone anyway? Both the left and the right have set the bar so low for TV pundits from Fox or MSNBC or CNN are lying hacks who only challenge what they feel like challenging and let BS fly all the time. Rachel Maddow is one of the most popular lefty TV shows and got a court case against her dismissed because she's not a source of information

  • "Obama-appointed federal judge, Cynthia Bashant, dismissed the lawsuit on the ground that even Maddow's own audience understands that her show consists of exaggeration, hyperbole, and pure opinion, and therefore would not assume that such outlandish accusations are factually true even when she uses the language of certainty and truth when presenting them (“literally is paid Russian propaganda")."

As for your benchmark on how to "treat JoRo" from a left-wing perspective, your benchmark is copying what the right-doing but from a different angle? Bravo? You're basically happily engaging in mischaracterisation, smearing, besmirching, or whatever you want to call it. Miss me with your tribalistic BS. 



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Rab said:

The Establishment Declares WAR On Nina Turner - Corp Dems, Big Oil, Big Pharma, Fox News, Wall Street are fund raising for Turners primary opponent Shontel Brown in Ohio congressional race

The Establishment, including in the Dems are actively trying to bring down Nina Turner (previous national co-chair of the Bernie Sanders 2020 presidential campaign and democratic socialist) 

It is feared by the Establishment Dems that she will disrupt their 'business as usual' model going forward, she is a very strong advocate for M4A, Tuition free college Education, making Israel accountable, The Green New Deal, destroying the exploitation of Big Pharma, higher minimum wages, stronger unions, much higher taxes on the Rich, and many other socialist/progressive policies 

The system has united against her 

  

Well she better learn how to swim or she will sink.  Since I live in Ohio, what she is platforming on isn't going to get strong support so she will need to gain as many allies as possible.  Having ideals are great, working to get them accepted is something different.  If you are going to beat the establishment you better come prepared in a general conservative area with the right firepower.