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Machiavellian said:
sundin13 said:

So, with the noise of the past week all eyes have been on Manchin. He got slots on most of the major news networks, and even Republican outlets are making him out to be the voice of reason within the Democratic party. They want to use him to divide the party so they don't have to get their hands dirty.

And what does he do with that attention and praise? He praises the Covid relief bill up and down and moves on to advocating for changing the filibuster to a talking filibuster. While not as strong as removing the filibuster, talking filibusters end and it hurts a lot more when you have to talk for 24 hours about how you don't like a popular bill. This is a huge development and Joe Manchin largely just served it up as the one the Republicans made out to be the voice of reason.

I don't like to speculate too much on political strategy, because it is such a shit show most of the time, but if Joe Manchin's strategy was to make himself out to be one true moderate just to usher in filibuster reform, it just might work...

I also have been watching the Manchin show for the last few days and I am sure getting a lot of pub on conservative media isn't really what the GOP really wanted since he is making statements that bring to light minimum wage increase and changes to the filibuster.  Should be interesting if this turns into something or just a one shot move and Manchin fades away.  I do believe that Biden plan on healthcare, 15 dollar minimum wage should be the focus within the house and Senate now while the issues are hot.  Start to dumb up support and get the GOP into denial mode so that its a nice campaign issue come up for 2022.  I actually do believe there are some GOP members who are ready to break away from the current course the party is going but not sure if there are 10 of them in the Senate.  Should be interesting to see if their is any real play to get GOP to vote on these 2 issues.

I feel like the next two bills will be Infrastructure and Voting Rights, but I'm not sure the order. There has already been a lot of talk about an infrastructure bill coming soon including possibly attaching the minimum wage increase to that bill. Infrastructure is a generally bipartisan priority so it presents kind of a win/win for Democrats: Either they get it done after four years of failure under Trump, or they get Republican pushback on it forcing them to change the filibuster rules to get it passed, which lays out the red carpet for HR1 to pass (although likely with a lot of changes). 

I don't think there will be any large movement on health care this year. There may be a few small bits attached here and there, such as something to deal with Medical costs associated with Covid (does anything like this exist), but it doesn't feel like there is any momentum here, and it is something that is likely to divide Democrats and the country more than it will unite them. I think the appearance of bipartisanship (in terms of what the country wants, not in terms of what Red politicians want) is very important right now to give Democrats license to continue to act alone. 

So my somewhat realistic hopes for the next few months in the Senate looks like this:

-Infrastructure (with some small Immigration reforms/concessions and Minimum Wage wrapped into it) will get Dem support, but will fail due to the filibuster. This will lead to Dems revising Senate rules to change to a talking filibuster. This lasts for a few days, but eventually breaks, allowing Dems to push forward a fairly mediocre infrastructure bill with some fairly mediocre (but important) changes attached to it.

-This leads to a lot of PR from the Dems making it clear that the Republicans are just being obstructionist and not coming to the table, giving them some shielding from the Republican freak out that will inevitably happen over HR1. There will be a lot of concessions made, but it will pass with some very important measures attached to it protecting voting rights. 



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sundin13 said:
Machiavellian said:

I also have been watching the Manchin show for the last few days and I am sure getting a lot of pub on conservative media isn't really what the GOP really wanted since he is making statements that bring to light minimum wage increase and changes to the filibuster.  Should be interesting if this turns into something or just a one shot move and Manchin fades away.  I do believe that Biden plan on healthcare, 15 dollar minimum wage should be the focus within the house and Senate now while the issues are hot.  Start to dumb up support and get the GOP into denial mode so that its a nice campaign issue come up for 2022.  I actually do believe there are some GOP members who are ready to break away from the current course the party is going but not sure if there are 10 of them in the Senate.  Should be interesting to see if their is any real play to get GOP to vote on these 2 issues.

I feel like the next two bills will be Infrastructure and Voting Rights, but I'm not sure the order. There has already been a lot of talk about an infrastructure bill coming soon including possibly attaching the minimum wage increase to that bill. Infrastructure is a generally bipartisan priority so it presents kind of a win/win for Democrats: Either they get it done after four years of failure under Trump, or they get Republican pushback on it forcing them to change the filibuster rules to get it passed, which lays out the red carpet for HR1 to pass (although likely with a lot of changes). 

I don't think there will be any large movement on health care this year. There may be a few small bits attached here and there, such as something to deal with Medical costs associated with Covid (does anything like this exist), but it doesn't feel like there is any momentum here, and it is something that is likely to divide Democrats and the country more than it will unite them. I think the appearance of bipartisanship (in terms of what the country wants, not in terms of what Red politicians want) is very important right now to give Democrats license to continue to act alone. 

So my somewhat realistic hopes for the next few months in the Senate looks like this:

-Infrastructure (with some small Immigration reforms/concessions and Minimum Wage wrapped into it) will get Dem support, but will fail due to the filibuster. This will lead to Dems revising Senate rules to change to a talking filibuster. This lasts for a few days, but eventually breaks, allowing Dems to push forward a fairly mediocre infrastructure bill with some fairly mediocre (but important) changes attached to it.

-This leads to a lot of PR from the Dems making it clear that the Republicans are just being obstructionist and not coming to the table, giving them some shielding from the Republican freak out that will inevitably happen over HR1. There will be a lot of concessions made, but it will pass with some very important measures attached to it protecting voting rights. 

Hmm, I have not really looked into HR 1 and the infrastructure bill.  I have not done any real research into the issues and what the Dems are bringing to the table besides a few more public statements the issues.



Democratic Socialist won all five party leadership positions in Nevada, after which everyone on the small Est Dem staff resigned :)  

Ryan Grim talks about why/how the Establishment Dems endorsed and organised this disruption      



Tim Ryan Dem from Ohio, finally let out a primal scream at Reps inaction on all things except tax breaks for the Rich (not that Reps could be shamed into anything anyway)

It's amazing to watch 



The House just passed the Senate's Amended Covid Relief bill, so it should be signed by Biden in the next 24 hours.

Again, huge win for the Democrats (and for Americans).



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sundin13 said:

The House just passed the Senate's Amended Covid Relief bill, so it should be signed by Biden in the next 24 hours.

Again, huge win for the Democrats (and for Americans).

You sound like that guy on Twitter... 



AsGryffynn said:

sundin13 said:

The House just passed the Senate's Amended Covid Relief bill, so it should be signed by Biden in the next 24 hours.

Again, huge win for the Democrats (and for Americans).

You sound like that guy on Twitter... 

...Excuse me what?

As in, "What the hell are you talking about?"



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1gWECYYOSo

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Signalstar said:

...Excuse me what?

As in, "What the hell are you talking about?"

I ask this every time I see their posts. 



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AsGryffynn said:

sundin13 said:

The House just passed the Senate's Amended Covid Relief bill, so it should be signed by Biden in the next 24 hours.

Again, huge win for the Democrats (and for Americans).

You sound like that guy on Twitter... 

Gonna need some clarification on this pretty quickly.



Rab said:

Tim Ryan Dem from Ohio, finally let out a primal scream at Reps inaction on all things except tax breaks for the Rich (not that Reps could be shamed into anything anyway)

It's amazing to watch 

That's what I love about Tim Ryan, he's very vocal about where he stands and that he's very much in favor of helping the people. Just look at his rant he did almost exactly to the day one year ago:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rl8rSAaOBcA