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Snoopy said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=582&v=H1toK3ODe9U&feature=emb_title

Really helpful that they don't give their sources and crop the image to the point I can't tell where they get it from either. Looking at it logically, though, I'm being led to believe that BLM donated 186m to Bernie 2020. That sounds like a pretty insane amount, and when I check the Bernie 2020 financials they've gotten 218m total, so BLM would had to have donated 85% of the total Bernie 2020 budget. This sounds completely ridiculous to claim, so until I see something more than a random list of campaigns with big numbers next to them I'm going to have to assume that this claim is full of shit.

https://www.fec.gov/data/committee/C00696948/

Edit 1: While looking around trying to find where this claim might be coming from I found a recent debunked claim about BLM funding that may be related but again I don't think I even need to try that hard to debunk the claim in the video. 

https://www.factcheck.org/2020/06/donations-to-black-lives-matter-group-dont-go-to-dnc/

Edit 2: Further down the rabbit hole I go and I found where the two dinguses got their list. It's a list of the expenditures from ActBlue for different campaigns. ActBlue is a funding mechanism for progressive groups and campaigns. It's like paypal. So the fact that both BLM and Bernie 2020 get donated money through this organization does not in any way mean that BLM is directly funding these campaigns.

https://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/expenditures.php?cycle=2020&cmte=C00401224

And again, here's the tough part with being intellectually honest when it comes to politics on the internet. Snoopy gets to put a simple link to some dipshits in a youtube video making an unsubstantiated claim and because I give a fuck I have to crawl down the rabbit hole and determine what the fuck Snoopy was trying to say in the first place, how he's wrong, and how to prove it. All that from a link that took Snoopy 20 seconds after he watched these two dipshits on youtube.

Sigh. 

Last edited by Torillian - on 12 June 2020

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Torillian said:

And again, here's the tough part with being intellectually honest when it comes to politics on the internet. Snoopy gets to put a simple link to some dipshits in a youtube video making an unsubstantiated claim and because I give a fuck I have to crawl down the rabbit hole and determine what the fuck Snoopy was trying to say in the first place, how he's wrong, and how to prove it. All that from a link that took Snoopy 20 seconds after he watched these two dipshits on youtube.

Sigh. 

Fully agree.

It's sometimes really aggravating to be looking up sources and the like for about half a day and explaining them in detail to show someone that their premise is wrong simply to get brushed aside by them. But as aggravating as it can be, I won't stop doing it, as I simply can't stand such wrongs and feel compelled to correct them.



I've said it before, but if you are going to be posting a YouTube video as evidence supporting your argument, you should be writing out an explanation of your argument, what the evidence states and how that evidence proves your argument. Further, if the Youtube video is citing another source, that original source should be sourced instead of the video. If the Youtube video is a primary source, you should timestamp the main points that you are trying to make. This is basic persuasive writing stuff, but beyond that, it is also necessary when engaging in online discussions in order to facilitate the discussion process.

If you do not care enough to actually make your own argument, I am not going to waste my time on you.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZUgUNZaWHk



Snoopy said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZUgUNZaWHk

This isn't a game show where we're guessing what's behind link #1.  Explain what you're posting and why.

Edit: And... since two users pointed that out to you already, we'll consider this an official warning. Next time will be some form of moderation.



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Torillian said:
Snoopy said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=582&v=H1toK3ODe9U&feature=emb_title

Really helpful that they don't give their sources and crop the image to the point I can't tell where they get it from either. Looking at it logically, though, I'm being led to believe that BLM donated 186m to Bernie 2020. That sounds like a pretty insane amount, and when I check the Bernie 2020 financials they've gotten 218m total, so BLM would had to have donated 85% of the total Bernie 2020 budget. This sounds completely ridiculous to claim, so until I see something more than a random list of campaigns with big numbers next to them I'm going to have to assume that this claim is full of shit.

https://www.fec.gov/data/committee/C00696948/

Edit 1: While looking around trying to find where this claim might be coming from I found a recent debunked claim about BLM funding that may be related but again I don't think I even need to try that hard to debunk the claim in the video. 

https://www.factcheck.org/2020/06/donations-to-black-lives-matter-group-dont-go-to-dnc/

Edit 2: Further down the rabbit hole I go and I found where the two dinguses got their list. It's a list of the expenditures from ActBlue for different campaigns. ActBlue is a funding mechanism for progressive groups and campaigns. It's like paypal. So the fact that both BLM and Bernie 2020 get donated money through this organization does not in any way mean that BLM is directly funding these campaigns.

https://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/expenditures.php?cycle=2020&cmte=C00401224

And again, here's the tough part with being intellectually honest when it comes to politics on the internet. Snoopy gets to put a simple link to some dipshits in a youtube video making an unsubstantiated claim and because I give a fuck I have to crawl down the rabbit hole and determine what the fuck Snoopy was trying to say in the first place, how he's wrong, and how to prove it. All that from a link that took Snoopy 20 seconds after he watched these two dipshits on youtube.

Sigh. 

Sadly, the amount of time it takes to throw out claims on a topic is far less than the amount of time it takes to debunk them.  



sethnintendo said:
iron_megalith said:

Maybe if the dems stop putting their heads up their asses and put a good candidate as their front runner then maybe, just maybe, more people will see Trump as the worst choice. Trump vs Biden is going to be worse than Trump vs Hillary. For fucks sakes, Biden is person that should be retired in a retirement home in the country side. Listening to his campaign was like listening to my grandpa's senile moments. The person is clearly not fit to lead and yet the democrats have decided to push for him because Obama's backing him.

Lol and you don't think trump says worse senile deranged shit?  What planet are you living on? 

Still doesn't discredit my point. Dems wanted to sway more people into thinking Trump is a baddie. And their plan was to put another baddie into the table? Way to fucking go.

It's not like Joe isn't creepy at all. Nothing bad about him saying he likes kids jumping on his lap.



JRPGfan said:
iron_megalith said:

Maybe if the dems stop putting their heads up their asses and put a good candidate as their front runner then maybe, just maybe, more people will see Trump as the worst choice. Trump vs Biden is going to be worse than Trump vs Hillary. For fucks sakes, Biden is person that should be retired in a retirement home in the country side. Listening to his campaign was like listening to my grandpa's senile moments. The person is clearly not fit to lead and yet the democrats have decided to push for him because Obama's backing him.

Trumps mental health is questionable too.... didn't mean republicans didn't vote for him.

I'm not refuting that. Tump is definitely a dumbass. But he is far from what the Dems painted him to be. My point is if Dems want to be the better, they better start acting like one. Putting a senile man that far too often forgets things from his campaign speeches is not the way to go.

At least Trump is more consistent with his campaign and some of his lies. So those that voted for him get what they asked for.

Last edited by iron_megalith - on 13 June 2020

iron_megalith said:
sethnintendo said:

Lol and you don't think trump says worse senile deranged shit?  What planet are you living on? 

Still doesn't discredit my point. Dems wanted to sway more people into thinking Trump is a baddie. And their plan was to put another baddie into the table? Way to fucking go.

It's not like Joe isn't creepy at all. Nothing bad about him saying he likes kids jumping on his lap.

Boy you just love jumping to conclusions don't you.  It sounds like for some reason you have a very strong hatred towards the man almost Hillary Clinton style hate.

He is "creepy" Joe because he tended to place hands on back of women's shoulders or give them shoulder massages.  Most of the women when asked about the incidents played it off like it wasn't as big deal that some try to make.  Some of them were friends of him and it isn't unusual for close friends to do that sort of thing.  Heck a close co-worker of mine would come behind me sitting down and put her hands on my shoulder at work and I didn't mind not think of it as anything sexual. Yet you go from awkward shoulder touching to pedophilia.  Amazing.

Bush Sr. used to grab women's asses during photo ops and he even had a one liner joke that he used before doing so.  Bush Jr surprised the shit out of Merkel with a back massage at a conference.  I assume you have same outrage towards them as you do for Biden.

Let me just say I'm done talking to you because you are a waste of time.  Have fun with your Trump Jr dictator.  Luckily you can't vote in USA and have no say in the upcoming election.



Hey Trump supporters, is Murica great yet?



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