the-pi-guy said:
EricHiggin said:
This is why socialism doesn't work well, even in smaller doses. Most people who are intelligent, hard working, good decision makers, etc, won't put up with this. It's one thing to help the needy on a personal level, and another for Gov to heavily promote making bad decisions. The more socialist idea's that get implemented, the more the people propping everyone else up will stop caring, and soon enough you run out of money because literally everyone expects free Gov handouts. Why bother trying to make something of yourself now, when all you need to do is bide your time until you can have your mistakes and poor decisions erased by some politician?
The unfortunate truth is that people need to learn, and sometimes the hard way, which is baked into capitalism.
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You're right Eric. Socialism won't work in America because we are greedy, selfish unemphatic people only looking out for ourselves.
The point of paying off the debt is about helping people who weren't able to pay for schooling. You have to be doing halfway decently to pay your way through school, or able to pay off your debt afterwards.
Who needs the money more: a millionaire who paid their way through college because they can afford it. Or a family under the poverty line who went in debt to try better themselves.
>The unfortunate truth is that people need to learn, and sometimes the hard way, which is baked into capitalism.
Because people should suffer the rest of their life for trying to improve their lives.
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Now this is a reply.
Greedy could be a word used to describe it. Progress would be another. Countries who bring in socialism slow progress, and too much socialism cripples them. The less socialism, the more progress. Yet it also means there will be a greater divide between the wealthy and poor. It also tends to lead to places like America, and the entire world, being lifted out of what was considered poverty, faster than it would be otherwise. Yes the poor are poor, but nowhere near as poor in general as they used to be, or would be in another system.
Now you could do more to make the poor and rich, middle class, but you would slow progress by doing so. That seems like an ok idea, until something terrible happens and you need top notch results quick, and then it's too late, because the system isn't designed for that any longer. That's not to say you can't find a reasonable answer in the allotted time, but odds are much higher that the quickest, best answer, comes from a system with the resources and drive. Socialist systems don't have that baked in.
What's great about the world today is that there are plenty of places that have a more socialist system, and they are more than happy to take you in for the most part. Why not let the greedy from the land of greed do their own thing and 'cripple' themselves, while you go get taken care of properly elsewhere and live a better life? Truth is this would only last for so long as well before it became a problem wherever you go.
Should someone born handicapped have to live a lesser life than everyone else? No matter what, they will, because they simply drew the short straw in life. It sucks, but it is what it is. If you're born into a terrible family, and your IQ is low, and you're not athletic, etc, you just happened to pull a longer straw than the handicapped person, but it's still a shorter straw than others. Mother nature makes life better for the longer straws. That's just the way it is.
Life isn't fair, but trying to make it as equal as possible will ruin everything. Life is not designed to be perfectly balanced. Life is designed to thrive and prosper or get left behind, and those extremes create the balance. The sooner people understand that, the sooner things get better for everyone exponentially faster. Either that, or everyone becomes equal and we stagnate. I'd like to say somewhere in the middle would be the best compromise overall, but you know the less fortunate in that system will continue to fight for more equality regardless, so why compromise in the first place is the question.
Just look at how far ahead America used to be until it started tinkering with socialism, and look at how the rest of the world is slowly catching up. Almost as if other countries started implementing capitalism, like it was a good thing.
Last edited by EricHiggin - on 24 January 2020
