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tsogud on 24 January 2020
RJTM1991 said:
It's always the same type of people who peddle Socialism, isn't it? Middle-class, coddled, privileged, out of touch... They'll preach about Socialism from their iPhones and iPads, completely oblivious to the fact that they all benefit from Capitalism every single day.

The overwhelming number of people who've fled from broken countries always try to shine a light on the horrors of Socialism. There's a near-endless amount of videos and news articles online, but no-one listens to them.

A damn shame.

That's a nice little generalization you got there... Be a shame if I... existed.



 

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EricHiggin on 24 January 2020
tsogud said:
EricHiggin said:

This is why socialism doesn't work well, even in smaller doses. Most people who are intelligent, hard working, good decision makers, etc, won't put up with this. It's one thing to help the needy on a personal level, and another for Gov to heavily promote making bad decisions. The more socialist idea's that get implemented, the more the people propping everyone else up will stop caring, and soon enough you run out of money because literally everyone expects free Gov handouts. Why bother trying to make something of yourself now, when all you need to do is bide your time until you can have your mistakes and poor decisions erased by some politician?

The unfortunate truth is that people need to learn, and sometimes the hard way, which is baked into capitalism.

Lmao nope. I wouldn't describe that man as any of those descriptions you listed.

All I see is a supposedly "grown" ass man being selfish and throwing a temper tantrum because society is improving.

I guess we shouldn't find a cure for cancer because it wouldn't be fair to those who had died from it before.

A mature, intelligent, compassionate and empathetic person would want others to have it easier than they did especially when they know how tough it could be and how much worse other people have it.

Capitalism as we used to know it is on it's way out and it's for the better.

"Capitalism as we used to know it is on it's way out and it's for the better."

The youngest most hardcore capitalists agree with you, because after all is said and done, they become richer than they could have ever imagined. People in need are 'friends' indeed.



RJTM1991 on 24 January 2020
SpokenTruth said:
RJTM1991 said:

Smart girls, but what they specialize in isn't needed. Again, it goes back to telling kids that they can be anything they want.

Then who is truly at fault here?  People hoping...and working their asses off...to live out a dream?  Or the society that lied to them about the relevance of their ambitions to that society?  You're a kid going into college, not an expert on labor markets.

If we tell somebody growing up that they can be anything and they fight and work hard to become it only to learn we lied to them the whole time....aren't we just as responsible for that mess? 

If I tell someone the carpet is safe to walk on and then I yank the carpet out from under them...I'm going to help them back up.  Saying they shouldn't have been stupid enough to walk on the carpet to begin with is passing blame instead of owning up. 

It's harsh, but both, I'd say.

Sure, the system is rigged against the people on the bottom, but you should always have a back-up plan. By all means, take gender studies or art or whatever else, but choose something solid as your main course. Like me. Stupidly took on art and only art. Whereas I should've taken on plumbing or something else and kept the art as a secondary.

Jobs like that are always in demand. Any debt could've been repaid in a couple months, maybe a year. But work as an artist or a writer or whatever is almost always low-paying and that's probably why people get stuck in a rut.



RJTM1991 on 24 January 2020
tsogud said:
RJTM1991 said:
It's always the same type of people who peddle Socialism, isn't it? Middle-class, coddled, privileged, out of touch... They'll preach about Socialism from their iPhones and iPads, completely oblivious to the fact that they all benefit from Capitalism every single day.

The overwhelming number of people who've fled from broken countries always try to shine a light on the horrors of Socialism. There's a near-endless amount of videos and news articles online, but no-one listens to them.

A damn shame.

That's a nice little generalization you got there... Be a shame if I... existed.

No offense, my man. That's just all I see on social media. You can always tell the ones who are serious from the ones hopping on a bandwagon.



tsogud on 24 January 2020
EricHiggin said:
tsogud said:

Lmao nope. I wouldn't describe that man as any of those descriptions you listed.

All I see is a supposedly "grown" ass man being selfish and throwing a temper tantrum because society is improving.

I guess we shouldn't find a cure for cancer because it wouldn't be fair to those who had died from it before.

A mature, intelligent, compassionate and empathetic person would want others to have it easier than they did especially when they know how tough it could be and how much worse other people have it.

Capitalism as we used to know it is on it's way out and it's for the better.

"Capitalism as we used to know it is on it's way out and it's for the better."

The youngest most hardcore capitalists agree with you, because after all is said and done, they become richer than they could have ever imagined. People in need are 'friends' indeed.

Interacting with you should be considered an art form because I have no idea wtf this is supposed to mean and I don't know where to start...

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EricHiggin on 24 January 2020
SpokenTruth said:
EricHiggin said:

"Hey, let's all get unequally educated, because the system is 'flawed' and people are different. If you can't get good grades, you can't have a better life."

Kinda sounds like evil capitalist reasoning that sticks with kids as they become adults.

Can't wait for classes where the smart kids are ignored so the less intelligent kids can have all the one on one time. I'm sure after 10-12 years of that, and after generations, those kids are going to have the collective brains and drive to truly change the world.

Why is everything a pendulum with you?  Everything must swing to the extreme opposite end of any statement we make.

Can you tall us how our ideas for college student loan debt forgiveness and socialized post-secondary education directly correlates to "classes where the smart kids are ignored so the less intelligent kids can have all the one on one time"?  You are debating about something we are not.

You also don't seem to understand the concept of social equity (look it up).  I already stated that you mischaracterize my stance on who is a valid member and contributor of a society. 

My bad. I learned earlier from a conversation with you that was what we were doing here. Seems like that carried through to now unfortunately. 

Now that the, core problem, has been solved, we should be able to move forward without issue, possibly.



EricHiggin on 24 January 2020
SpokenTruth said:
tsogud said:

Interacting with you should be considered an art from because I have no idea wtf this is supposed to mean and I don't know where to start...

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9097273

Enough with the compliments, please. You're going to make me start thinking I'm better than others. Shame on you.



RJTM1991 on 24 January 2020
the-pi-guy said:
RJTM1991 said:

Hmm, who to believe... A Venezuelan or a guy who lives in a bubble on a gaming forum?

HMM... Who. To. Believe?

I'm going with the guy who has been there and knows what he's talking about.

Who to believe a Swede or a Venezuelan.  

Clearly the one who backs my opinion even if all the facts don't line up.  

Well, the subject was Socialism, and when it comes to that, who better to listen to than a Venezuelan? 

Anyway, are there any examples of a Socialist Utopia? I'd really like to see proof of concept here.



RJTM1991 on 25 January 2020
the-pi-guy said:
RJTM1991 said:

Well, the subject was Socialism, and when it comes to that, who better to listen to than a Venezuelan? 

Anyway, are there any examples of a Socialist Utopia? I'd really like to see proof of concept here.

Context was about Western Europe's socialistic segments. 

Considering in that context there are dozens of examples that do fine.  

Where? 

I'd really like to see an example that ends any and all anti-Socialist arguments. 



Immersiveunreality on 25 January 2020
SpokenTruth said:
Baalzamon said:
I keep seeing Europe and mention of their free schooling as justification for the current suggestion of just forgiving all these student loans.

You are comparing a process that is already in place, and everybody has the process to now take advantage of...to a process that only impacts the people who made worse decisions.

I know we have already had this discussion, but what exactly happens to the people who made shitty decisions, and just get all of that debt forgiven? What sort of life lesson does that teach them?

That our hyper-capitalistic society that profits from debt is failing us and that it celebrates profit generation over education.


"Hey, let's all get educated for the betterment of society but only if you can afford it.  If you can't afford it, you can't help further our progress."

Are we just going to ignore the fact that K-12 is already socialized?  I'd really love to hear 1 solid reason why it should end there. 

Yeah it is just insane how it is even possible in America to make such profits on the back of people that still need to grow up mentally and sometimes put them in them in debt for a good amount of years ofcourse i'm not saying that everyone should pay for everyones educations but firstly the prices for it and the whole profiting from it should be toned down by a lot,most of those educations can be much cheaper.

And when it gets cheaper it wont be such a big deal to pay some for the benefit of all,like here in Europe.

But it always saddens me when i think of so many people still so early in their lives being worried about money.