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Bofferbrauer2 on 25 January 2020
Baalzamon said:
I keep seeing Europe and mention of their free schooling as justification for the current suggestion of just forgiving all these student loans.

You are comparing a process that is already in place, and everybody has the process to now take advantage of...to a process that only impacts the people who made worse decisions.

I know we have already had this discussion, but what exactly happens to the people who made shitty decisions, and just get all of that debt forgiven? What sort of life lesson does that teach them?

So, just because the process hasn't been in place in the US yet, it should never be implemented? Because that's what you are implying here.

RJTM1991 said:
It's always the same type of people who peddle Socialism, isn't it? Middle-class, coddled, privileged, out of touch... They'll preach about Socialism from their iPhones and iPads, completely oblivious to the fact that they all benefit from Capitalism every single day.

The overwhelming number of people who've fled from broken countries always try to shine a light on the horrors of Socialism. There's a near-endless amount of videos and news articles online, but no-one listens to them.

A damn shame.

Then have a look on videos of Americans that went to any European country. Most of them don't want to go back to the US to live there ever again as it's hypercaptilalistic dog eat dog mentality is horrifying them now that they got to know what a social safety net like those in Europe really is.

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tsogud on 25 January 2020

LurkerJ said:
tsogud said:

Lmao nope. I wouldn't describe that man as any of those descriptions you listed.

All I see is a supposedly "grown" ass man being selfish and throwing a temper tantrum because society is improving.

I guess we shouldn't find a cure for cancer because it wouldn't be fair to those who had died from it before.

A mature, intelligent, compassionate and empathetic person would want others to have it easier than they did especially when they know how tough it could be and how much worse other people have it.

Capitalism as we used to know it is on it's way out and it's for the better.

I disagree, we don't know his circumstances. To dismiss him as an immature person when he played by the rules and did his best to not to break the law is not fair. Especially that he lives in a country in which you never have extra money, you're one medical condition away from poverty. Spending his savings to pay off debts is commendable. 

Liz dismissed him as well when she could've acknowledged the pain debt has caused him by simply saying: "I can see that you're a hard working person, who suffered due to students loans, and sacrificed so much just to pay them off, we should definitely have a conversation about people in similar shoes as yours and see how we can help them".

It's Liz who was immature in the way she responded, dismissive and unsympathetic with no real answer to his question. 

You give the guy a pass but not Liz for having to deal with an irate man yelling at her face??? He'd catch these hands if he did that to me, as far as I'm concerned she handled it as well as she could in the moment.

I can only go by the behavior he was displaying and his behavior was immature. He says he did "all the right things" but getting duped and played by a broken, oppressive system isn't really something you should be proud of. If he really did feel he sacrificed so much he should not want others to have to do the same, that's a mature person's thinking and he displayed the opposite. He should want society to improve or if not, he isn't a productive member of society and is just selfish.

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EricHiggin on 25 January 2020
the-pi-guy said:
RJTM1991 said:

Where? 

I'd really like to see an example that ends any and all anti-Socialist arguments. 

How are Norway, UK, Canada and Sweden doing?  

Kevin O'Leary explains fairly well why Canada is sucking in comparison to America. He only spends a ton of time in the states now and moved the large majority of his money and investments there as well. I wonder why, since all of us Canadians care oh so much about equality of outcome...

I wonder why my investments, as well as my family and friends, have all been removed from Canadian markets and put into American?

Morale in Canada is pretty low right now btw, because the economy ain't great. If only the U.S. would share nice with us... It's ok though, we'll just sit here and wait and do nothing about it, because eventually a far lefty will get into power there and will fix our problems for us...

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RJTM1991 on 25 January 2020
the-pi-guy said:
RJTM1991 said:

Where? 

I'd really like to see an example that ends any and all anti-Socialist arguments. 

How are Norway, UK, Canada and Sweden doing?  

LurkerJ said:

Sure, I get debt forgiveness, I am all for it. But the guy in the video has every right to complain, he worked twice or three times as hard just to pay off his daughter's debt. We should discuss what to do for people like him. Where is the harm? 

Or we simply reward those who paid their debts or ensure what they did doesn't go unrewarded.

Why are people for debt forgiveness but not for reparations for people who suffered under the same exact money sucking scheme? We are already talking about "trillions" amount of money, it's already "too expensive". Might as well compensate everyone. 

>Where is the harm? 

There's no harm.  The question is where do you draw the line?  People aren't proposing to make college free, and pay off college debt just because they like free stuff.  It's about relieving burdens.  The guy who has paid off his child's debt, what burdens does he now have?  They're not burdened by debt.  

If you want to make it easier for the future, make college free.

If you want to relieve people's burdens, pay off their college debt also.  

If you want to give people a reward for not having debt, give them a refund.

Doing all the above isn't a terrible thing, but it's not the focus that any of the Democrats are going for.  The concern seems to be about fairness.  There's different dimensions of fairness, equity, equality, and a variety of others and mixes of all of them.  

Here's the famous picture that describes the two at least:

>We are already talking about "trillions" amount of money, it's already "too expensive". Might as well compensate everyone. 

This isn't a conservative argument.  College debt is less than 2 trillion dollars.  That's a huge number, but it's not "too expensive".  And if it were too expensive, compensating everyone doesn't make sense.  

The UK isn't Socialist. Matter of fact, the country voted in droves against Socialism in the last election.

Norway and Sweden aren't Socialist either. A quick Google search ends that one. "Jerry Mander has likened the Nordic model to a kind of "hybrid" system which features a blend of capitalist economics with socialist values, representing an alternative to American-style capitalism."

Thanks to the wonders of Wikipedia, we have a list of actual Socialist countries.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_socialist_states

I wouldn't like to live in either to be honest.



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EnricoPallazzo on 26 January 2020

Why people keep mentioning those European capitalist countries when talking about socialism? I just don't get it. Why?
- they actually don't know what socialism is?
- they do know what it is but for some reason don't know those countries are capitalist to their bone?
- they think US is the only capitalist country in the world therefore the rest must be socialist?
- they know exactly what they are talking about but use socialism in conjunction to those countries in a plot to make people believe that is actually socialism so people will vote for it when they hear "socialism"?

All capitalist countries are socialist to ascertain extent. Police, schools and firefighters are an example. Government provided services with the taxpayer money where it doesn't matter how rich you are you are going to get the same service. Canada, Denmark and UK (gosh people even mention UK which is the cradle of capitalism) just take it to the next level socialising other services like health, pensions and etc with more regulations.



EnricoPallazzo on 26 January 2020