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Bofferbrauer2 on 11 April 2019
forest-spirit said:
Machiavellian said:
Now if we are going to talk about if Trump mental state is above 3rd grade level then you have to listen to him on Fox News talking about the boarder.

https://va99teaparty.com/2019/04/10/fox-and-everyone-else-cuts-away-from-trumps-rant-when-he-starts-raving-incoherently-about-trucks-fences-or-something-its-hard-to-tell/

Lol, the fact that people continue to make excuses for this man believing he should ever be in a meeting trying to convey his ideals with that word salad of nonsense just amazes me.

I also love this word salad of nonsense as well.
"We built a lotta wall. A lotta wall. And its two walls. You know, when we rip down and old wall, and then replace it, it's called 'a new wall'. And that's what we've done. A lot of wall is going up and every place we build the wall it's less and less."

Lol, you have to wonder about the people who attend meetings where Trump is speaking and its goes down like the above or world leaders having to stomach listening to him talk thinking, should they get a translator to help with this rambling.
I really cannot wait when Trump is on stage having to debate again. Now that the name calling and grade school wit is old news, it will be interesting to see him rambling like and idiot and people forcing themselves to be the Trump whisperer again.

Had to watch that clip and it didn't disappoint.

Lol, you can almost see the question marks appear over their heads, wondering what he's rambling about.



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jason1637 on 11 April 2019
Machiavellian said:
jason1637 said:

The only negative policy Trump has done on the international stage I can think of was leaving the paris climate agreement but most countries that signed on were not actually following through on what they agreed on.

I feel like he probably contributed because under Obama they never grew this fast and started to grow midway through Trumps term.

I brought up GDP because I remember reading something a few months ago that usually for some recessions the GDP reaches a certain mark or something.

Well you could say that wages are better because of this little nugget.  

https://www.nbcnews.com/business/taxes/twice-many-companies-paying-zero-taxes-under-trump-tax-plan-n993046

Or it could be this nugget as well.  

https://www.hrdive.com/news/mercer-wage-increases-projected-to-remain-flat-in-2019/530416/

This is more where I am at as pay increase has not spiked at all.  Actually when I started working at the Job I am at, 5% pay increase per year was the bottom you could get.  After there recessions it when down to nothing, during Obama term it gain back to 5% but that ended up being the max and now under Trump nothing has changed.  If anything you see more 1.5 to 2% then 5%.

I believe the key thing is that on the very top end, the savings companies are getting are going to the Top execs and very much not trickling down to lower teir employees.

As far as wages, States have increase the minimum wage which is affecting those stats

As for international relations, We have some more great Tariffs coming from Trump administration which seems to still only punish American business and gain nothing.

Well it could be because of the tax plan for some business. I dont think its the second link you posted because wages have already increased this year so whoever predicted that they would not were wrong.

But yeah minimum wage hikes in some states will help but without the tax plan we might see more businesses cutting hours so it's probably a comb of a lot of different things by states and the federal gov.

Yeah the tariffs are pretty dumb and have not worked so far.



EricHiggin on 11 April 2019
Machiavellian said:
EricHiggin said:

All books aren't non-fiction. Trump likes to say he fired them, and plenty like to say they quit or wanted to. Who's telling the truth? Did they quit for the reasons they say they did? Lot's of book deals for people who like to bash Trump, that aren't selling all that great, and coincidentally plenty of books being taken off shelves written by conservatives as of lately, especially if they sell well. Hmm. I wonder how many people Trump sits down with and hires personally?

The funny thing is, I believe Trump administration will have the most books written concerning the inner workings and they will all be entertaining reads.  So far, whether you read a book, hear the rumblings or interviews the common thread of them all is a disorganized cluster F***.  The thing is, this isn't anything new since this is a common theme before Trump was elected with his business.  

Also a book selling great or now has nothing to do with the analysis within the books.

As for who Trump personally hires, I would say if he doesn't have direct input in the hiring of top positions then he probably doing what he does best, nothing.  Its like the report we heard in the beginning of his presidency when people would put papers in front of him to sign and he did without reading them.  Hell, we have even recent situations where within his budget plan he has nuked funding for the special olympics and the Great Lakes since he has been in office only to suddenly find out it was his administration gutting those programs.  He even tried to take credit for not gutting them when congress always ignored his budget any way.  Its this kind of lazy stupidity that is accepted today by people who trust in Trump that is comical.

Key word is here "entertaining" and not truthful. So Trump is tough in business and politics and so it's hard for him to find good people and some quit because they can't live up to the high standards. I don't see the problem.

Fiction can also be analysed. Based on a true story... 'here's everything they got wrong...'

So if the head of a multi billion dollar business or country doesn't have the time to go through every single hire with a fine tooth comb it's because they're lazy or useless? Surely it has nothing to do with spreading the load and responsibility beyond just yourself to make things as efficient as financially possible, which is the point in hiring other people to help. Couldn't have to do with the people doing the hiring making some mistakes because everyone is perfect except for Trump. How is Trump supposed to force congress to do what he wants? Isn't that the key reason congress exists, so that the Prez can't just move ahead with whatever they want?



EricHiggin on 11 April 2019
SpokenTruth said:
EricHiggin said:

Key word is here "entertaining" and not truthful. So Trump is tough in business and politics and so it's hard for him to find good people and some quit because they can't live up to the high standards. I don't see the problem.

Please define what Trump's standards are.

42:30 - 44:00 - Trump.

The whole interview is great but is close to an hour long and covers a bunch of different topics.

*This guy is a total hard a** and you can see it in clips throughout the interview. If he knows Trump is that tough and doesn't put up with BS, then that's saying something.

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EricHiggin on 11 April 2019
SpokenTruth said:
EricHiggin said:

42:30 - 44:00 - Trump.

The whole interview is great but is close to an hour long and covers a bunch of different topics.

*This guy is a total hard a** and you can see it in clips throughout the interview. If he knows Trump is that tough and doesn't put up with BS, then that's saying something.

That's pretty much every CEO or political leader since....ever.

Almost like being tough with high standards and holding people accountable or else, is necessary in those positions.



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EricHiggin on 11 April 2019
SpokenTruth said:
EricHiggin said:

Almost like being tough with high standards and holding people accountable or else, is necessary in those positions.

So then why does his administration have revolving door employment when other administrations did not?

Are you actually trying to tell us he has exceptionally higher standards than any other president in modern political history?

https://www.cheatsheet.com/culture/donald-trump-isnt-the-only-president-who-loves-firing-people.html/

https://www.elitedaily.com/p/trumps-vs-obamas-resignation-rates-are-truly-mindblowing-8440066

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2017/aug/04/donald-trumps-white-house-turnover-context/

Looks like Trump isn't alone when it comes to firing people either.



jason1637 on 11 April 2019

The problem is that Trump has hired some people that dont know what their doing. The best person to serve under his administration is probably Nikki Haley but unfortunately she stepped down as last year.



Bofferbrauer2 on 12 April 2019
EricHiggin said:
SpokenTruth said:

So then why does his administration have revolving door employment when other administrations did not?

Are you actually trying to tell us he has exceptionally higher standards than any other president in modern political history?

https://www.cheatsheet.com/culture/donald-trump-isnt-the-only-president-who-loves-firing-people.html/

https://www.elitedaily.com/p/trumps-vs-obamas-resignation-rates-are-truly-mindblowing-8440066

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2017/aug/04/donald-trumps-white-house-turnover-context/

Looks like Trump isn't alone when it comes to firing people either.

The problem is not the firing people or the resignations in itself, as every President has this to some degree. The problem is the rate at which it happens. Trump has already more of them than many presidents who served 2 terms while he's just halfway through one term.



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Biggerboat1 on 12 April 2019
EricHiggin said:
SpokenTruth said:

So then why does his administration have revolving door employment when other administrations did not?

Are you actually trying to tell us he has exceptionally higher standards than any other president in modern political history?

https://www.cheatsheet.com/culture/donald-trump-isnt-the-only-president-who-loves-firing-people.html/

https://www.elitedaily.com/p/trumps-vs-obamas-resignation-rates-are-truly-mindblowing-8440066

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2017/aug/04/donald-trumps-white-house-turnover-context/

Looks like Trump isn't alone when it comes to firing people either.

Do you even read the links you post? Or do you expect others to read them for you and report back?

It almost makes me wonder whether you're actually just a very discreet troll - who keeps it toned down enough to stay under the radar.

I mean the 2nd article's title is 'Trump's Vs. Obama's Resignation Rates Are Truly Mindblowing' and the 2nd sub-heading reads 'COMPARED TO OBAMA, TRUMP HAS LOST TONS OF STAFFERS SO FAR.'

If you're not trolling, I don't really understand why you take the time to endlessly argue these points as you almost never change your position (I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt here by saying almost), even when the evidence you yourself post runs counter to your point...

What's the point in engaging in a public forum when your ideas and opinions are set in stone?

I actually find it satisfying when evidence or an argument forces me to change my stance on something because it means I've learned something - which is what we all should aspire to do - no-one comes out of the womb with all of the answers!

You contribute a lot of time to this forum and come across as a smart enough guy, but trying to move you on a point is like talking to a breeze-block.

Blinkered stubbornness is not a strength.



Machiavellian on 12 April 2019
jason1637 said:
The problem is that Trump has hired some people that dont know what their doing. The best person to serve under his administration is probably Nikki Haley but unfortunately she stepped down as last year.

You probably should wonder why she stepped down.  At some point in time, a person understands when to leave a sinking ship.  You are also correct that Trump hired and continue to hire people who do not know how to do their jobs.  The people that do know how to do their jobs are the ones getting out.  Any time you see an administration where a lot of people start to resign you know something is going on and usually at the top.

When you think about it, America voted in someone who knew nothing about the Job and also appears to not want to know.  He continue to believe he can circumvent the inplace institutions of the office like he tried to do in the public sector.  Case in point is his pick for the GOP Heath care policy.  Talk about draining the swamp and placing your own swamp monster in it place.

https://www.orlandosentinel.com/politics/os-ne-rick-scott-health-care-20190329-story.html

The crazy part about the above story is that Trump is saying Rick and company is bringing a plan while Rick had to correct the situation and said the White House (The same white house that couldn't do anything before) is bringing a plan for health care.  What also makes this funny is that Trump put his trust in this guy who had this little problem below.

https://www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2014/mar/03/florida-democratic-party/rick-scott-rick-scott-oversaw-largest-medicare-fra/

So yeah, trusting Trump to hire someone who isn't shady probably isn't a possibility anyone should expect any time soon.