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tsogud said:
jason1637 said:

Supporting Bernie means Trump will be re elected.

Ya'll are really on something if you think electing someone who can't event get most of Democratic support and supports a unpopular economic system in swing states can beat Trump and the GOP establishment.

It's like no one learns from history anymore. 

Oversimplification.

Joe Biden. The one with the MOST democratic establishment support and endorsements is barely eeking out wins against a "crazy socialist" that is constantly smeared and attacked on a regular basis.

Says a lot more about how weak of a candidate Biden is than Bernie.

I've seen this show before.

Bernie outspent Biden 7 to 1 and has had a better ground campaign because he has more money. Shows how weak Bernie is as a candidate not being able to beat a "dead campaign".



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SpokenTruth said:
jason1637 said:

Supporting Bernie means Trump will be re elected.

Ya'll are really on something if you think electing 1). someone who can't event get most of Democratic support and 2). supports a unpopular economic system in swing states can beat Trump and the GOP establishment.

It's like no one learns from history anymore. 

1). It only took a massive media smear campaign, candidate manipulation and a spoiler candidate.

2). You might want to look at the polls on this.  No state negatively views any of this policies.

Well his policies are controversal, his supporters are toxic, he has a very toxic staff, and he has a if you're not with us you're against us attitude that turn off a lot of people.

The majority of Americans won't vote for a socialist according to many polls.



Correct me if I'm wrong, but - wouldn't Bernie still theoretically be the favorite in the long haul?

Both Texas and California are very likely to go to him, and they both bring in a major haul of delegates.

You've also got much of my area left in the Rust Belt - which I can assure you Neoliberalism is really really unpopular here - so Bernie would have the edge there.

Super Tuesday was heavy on the Southern states where Biden would have an advantage, so naturally he's going to better than the Bern there.



 

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DarthMetalliCube said:
On the bright side (or sad side depending on your leanings) my girl got a delegate, possibly 2 XD.

Unfortunately, Bloomberg and his bottomless pockets basically locked down her home region of American Samoa so he gets the win there - but hey I'll take what I can get at this point. Unfortunately I'm already hearing whispers that the Democrats are going to just conveniently raise the delegate threshold to get into the next debate (despite just bumping it lower in order to get Bloomberg in). And quite honestly, I'd be shocked if THEY don't screw over Gabbard at this point.. Gotta love the DNC and their totally fair changing goal posts!

At this point I view the (hopeless) campaign trail for Tulsi the same way I would a prospect for my Cubs team. Young talent in the minors gaining experience and building momentum until they're eventually truly ready for the Big Leagues. It's not her time, but I think it will be soon :P. She has the potential to carry Bernie's legacy in the future, and let's face it, the guy's not getting any younger..

I'm pretty sure the qualification will be raised to keep her out. Her campaign didn't do much, but I think her running kept a lot of the hate of centrist media away from Bernie for a long time early in the primaries. That probably counts for something.



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jason1637 said:
tsogud said:

Oversimplification.

Joe Biden. The one with the MOST democratic establishment support and endorsements is barely eeking out wins against a "crazy socialist" that is constantly smeared and attacked on a regular basis.

Says a lot more about how weak of a candidate Biden is than Bernie.

I've seen this show before.

Bernie outspent Biden 7 to 1 and has had a better ground campaign because he has more money. Shows how weak Bernie is as a candidate not being able to beat a "dead campaign".

And you don't even question why that is?? Or do you just gulp down whatever info the mainstream media feeds you? Have you no curiosity or drive to figure out what is happening in American politics rn. Or would you rather have the pundits that are paid by the very corporations and industries that Sanders opposes explain how regular Americans and the working class don't like Sanders, despite all the evidence to the contrary?



 

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"More evidence that the Sanders campaign’s efforts to galvanize Latinos paid off: 84% of Latinos under 30 came out for Sanders in California, according to early exit polls."
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https://twitter.com/JordanUhl/status/1235052704088707072/photo/1

This is good... this is very good. We need to push this margin up more.



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tsogud said:
jason1637 said:

Bernie outspent Biden 7 to 1 and has had a better ground campaign because he has more money. Shows how weak Bernie is as a candidate not being able to beat a "dead campaign".

And you don't even question why that is?? Or do you just gulp down whatever info the mainstream media feeds you? Have you no curiosity or drive to figure out what is happening in American politics rn. Or would you rather have the pundits that are paid by the very corporations and industries that Sanders opposes explain how regular Americans and the working class don't like Sanders, despite all the evidence to the contrary?

I rarely follow mainstream news. I'm just looking at the facts. Moderate policies and a return to Obama era policies have had a plurality or majority in most polls and these super tuesday results are showing that.



uran10 said:

https://twitter.com/JordanUhl/status/1235052704088707072/photo/1

This is good... this is very good. We need to push this margin up more.

That's only some of the early voting which is 1/4th of the total vote according to cnn.



Disappointing night. Especially Maine, Massachusetts and Minnesota shock me. Bernie may win California (he was just called the winner with 0% reporting LOL), but overall the delegate haul will be close between Biden and Bernie.

As long as Biden comes in with the most votes it will at least not split the party if he becomes the nominee. And as I said before: everyone (except Bloomberg *shudder*) is better than the choice between Clinton and Trump 2016.

Still, I feel no enthusiasm for just keeping the status quo. This mean more people will die avoidably, because of missing or insufficent health care. This means no big decisions on fighting against climate change. No fight against the growing inequality.

Well, it is not over, but for the past month or two things looked very good for a big change, now this is a big setback.

I hope the movement inspires more young people to run for office and transform the country.



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