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Bernie winning the popular vote (for the time being) but Pete getting ahead in delegates?? Haha what the ever loving hell? XD

Apparently precincts mainly coming from rural areas rn, where Pete is much more likely to poll better.

And why are they staggering this out, only showing 62%? The way this is all hashing out looks like they are at the very least marginalize Bernie's performance.

Looks to me like the establishment has a new horse they're ready to back, and it's Petey. Lord knows why though XD.

Will be interesting to see how this all plays out..



 

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DarthMetalliCube said:
Bernie winning the popular vote (for the time being) but Pete getting ahead in delegates?? Haha what the ever loving hell? XD

Apparently precincts mainly coming from rural areas rn, where Pete is much more likely to poll better.

And why are they staggering this out, only showing 62%? The way this is all hashing out looks like they are at the very least marginalize Bernie's performance.

Looks to me like the establishment has a new horse they're ready to back, and it's Petey. Lord knows why though XD.

Will be interesting to see how this all plays out..

Pete is nationally polling a 6% in polling aggregates. He only does well with white voters (90% of Iowans) and a big reason he has these Iowa numbers is because he's dumped all his money there. This won't help Pete clinch the nom, this only hurts Biden's "electability" narrative. The establishment is scared.



 

Relax, its the DNc being the DNC.

Check this thread and you'll understand the precincts that they left out are the ones we know Bernie is winning and some of the largest ones at that. Bernie won, they're just playing tricks to try to kill his momentum and to boost up Pete.



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uran10 said:

Relax, its the DNc being the DNC.

Check this thread and you'll understand the precincts that they left out are the ones we know Bernie is winning and some of the largest ones at that. Bernie won, they're just playing tricks to try to kill his momentum and to boost up Pete.

I think it's more that smaller precincts are faster to count. They're also the first ones here in Luxembourg to be counted during elections, while the big ones take longer to do so.

the New York times have a pretty handy map with all the counties and the number of precincts being counted: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/02/04/us/elections/results-iowa-caucus.html

Also, looking at the map so far, Klobuchar won more counties than Biden. Who would have expected that before the caucus?



tsogud said:
DarthMetalliCube said:
Bernie winning the popular vote (for the time being) but Pete getting ahead in delegates?? Haha what the ever loving hell? XD

Apparently precincts mainly coming from rural areas rn, where Pete is much more likely to poll better.

And why are they staggering this out, only showing 62%? The way this is all hashing out looks like they are at the very least marginalize Bernie's performance.

Looks to me like the establishment has a new horse they're ready to back, and it's Petey. Lord knows why though XD.

Will be interesting to see how this all plays out..

Pete is nationally polling a 6% in polling aggregates. He only does well with white voters (90% of Iowans) and a big reason he has these Iowa numbers is because he's dumped all his money there. This won't help Pete clinch the nom, this only hurts Biden's "electability" narrative. The establishment is scared.

Tom Steyer also dumped a ton of money here, but did horribly. I've gotten at least twelve Steyer mail pieces, and hundreds of Steyer video ads from this site. Everyone at my caucuses said the same thing. We were all laughing at Steyer only getting 6 supporters in our district after blowing all that money!




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Cerebralbore101 said:
tsogud said:

Pete is nationally polling a 6% in polling aggregates. He only does well with white voters (90% of Iowans) and a big reason he has these Iowa numbers is because he's dumped all his money there. This won't help Pete clinch the nom, this only hurts Biden's "electability" narrative. The establishment is scared.

Tom Steyer also dumped a ton of money here, but did horribly. I've gotten at least twelve Steyer mail pieces, and hundreds of Steyer video ads from this site. Everyone at my caucuses said the same thing. We were all laughing at Steyer only getting 6 supporters in our district after blowing all that money!


But Steyer polls well in Nevada and South Carolina. So too early to dismiss his chances.



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Cerebralbore101 said:
tsogud said:

Pete is nationally polling a 6% in polling aggregates. He only does well with white voters (90% of Iowans) and a big reason he has these Iowa numbers is because he's dumped all his money there. This won't help Pete clinch the nom, this only hurts Biden's "electability" narrative. The establishment is scared.

Tom Steyer also dumped a ton of money here, but did horribly. I've gotten at least twelve Steyer mail pieces, and hundreds of Steyer video ads from this site. Everyone at my caucuses said the same thing. We were all laughing at Steyer only getting 6 supporters in our district after blowing all that money!

Steyer mostly concentrated on the later states, as Iowa was certain to become a huge battleground with him just being a sideshow no matter what.

Just compare his polling in early states since the start of this year:

Iowa: 2-4%

NH: 4-8%

Nevada: 8-12%

SC: 12-18%

He's banking on these to get him really started, as he doesn't do much better than 2% anywhere else so far.



Based on these preliminary results and assuming they don't change much anymore, here is what I think about the future of the remaining candidates.

Bernie Sanders: He definitely showed his strength and that he can win. So he probably leaves this caucus as the strongest contender. As he is polling well in New Hampshire and Nevada too, he could become the frontrunner after the three states, if he actually realizes his polling or even outperforms it.

Joe Biden: He took a major hit today. This threatens his standing as frontrunner and also his electability argument. Still, he is not out. But he needs a strong showing soon, he cannot wait until South Carolina anymore.

Pete Buttigieg: He definitely showed, that he can be a strong competitor. I am still in doubt he can show similar strengths in other parts of the country, but maybe he gets enough momentum to actually gain.

Elizabeth Warren: She showed that she is in the race. Her result is somewhat overshadowed by the more exciting news for other candidates, but she stood her ground.

Amy Klobuchar: I see her in problems. Yes, she could realize her polls, but as she was already behind the four others, that doesn't help her. Her polling in NH looks similar, so another chance to break out. Nevada will become a much harder ground for her and so her campaign probably fizzles out in Nevada and South Carolina.

Tom Steyer: He played no role today and will probably not in NH. But in Nevada and South Carolina he can have a strong showing and might become a contender. He also has the money to buy enough ads. So I wouldn't count him out, before Nevada and SC.

Michael Bloomberg: Normally I would say, that until Super Tuesday the frontrunners have been selected, but we look at a still very fragmented field and the weakness of Biden could really help Bloomberg. So I don't know, maybe?

Andrew Yang, Tulsi Gabbard: I see both of them not able to compete. They have somewhat strong polling in NH, so I guess they both wait for that, but even with relatively (for them) strong polling, they are still far below the 15%. So if they don't get delegates out of NH, they probably drop out.

Michael Bennet, Deval Patrick: I don't know what they hope for. I see no way they could grab headlines or any sort of attention. And definitely not delegates. So I see them dropping out soon.



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Mnementh said:
Cerebralbore101 said:

Tom Steyer also dumped a ton of money here, but did horribly. I've gotten at least twelve Steyer mail pieces, and hundreds of Steyer video ads from this site. Everyone at my caucuses said the same thing. We were all laughing at Steyer only getting 6 supporters in our district after blowing all that money!


But Steyer polls well in Nevada and South Carolina. So too early to dismiss his chances.

I'm not dismissing Steyer, just using his obscene Iowa spending and lack of votes to show that money can't buy votes in Iowa. Tsogud's notion that Pete only got votes because he spent a ton of money here is just wrong. That's all. 



Cerebralbore101 said:
Mnementh said:

But Steyer polls well in Nevada and South Carolina. So too early to dismiss his chances.

I'm not dismissing Steyer, just using his obscene Iowa spending and lack of votes to show that money can't buy votes in Iowa. Tsogud's notion that Pete only got votes because he spent a ton of money here is just wrong. That's all. 

I didn't say he only got votes because of money just that it was a big factor. Money can "buy" votes anywhere Iowa's no different.