Yeah but that's not really working out for her is it? Doesn't really give her much of an appeal tbqh and iirc Bernie did call out the corruption and even Warren, albeit a lot later, acknowledged that corruption. I think it's how you go about it. From the outside she just looks like someone constantly being antagonistic just to rile up her base. There's a time when you really do need to pull your punches, that doesn't mean you agree with your opponent, it just means you pick your fights accordingly.

You're wrong. The Democrats were pushed to the right (read up about the Overton window to understand this) by Bill Clinton between two republican runs that pushed also harder to the right. Obama accepted this new status quo. This doesn't mean that people that stand for FDR-style-politics aren't Democrats. What you see as hate towards what Democrats stand for is in actuality the awareness, that todays centrist democrats policies don't cut it anymore.

The climate change is destroying the foundation of the civilization, decisive action is needed to prevent that, not cozying up to oil and coal companies. 30 million americans are without health care and 50 million more have insurances that leave them in deep debts if anything happens. 45,000 americans die each year because of missing health insurance. And some democrats understand that the centrist position of basically keeping Obamacare and call it a day just doesn't cut it.

While in most of the world because of technical progress life expectancy is rising, in america it is stagnating. Some democrats understand that a change is needed.

Since decades the income inequality is on the rise. Some democrats understand that something has to be done about it.

You might hate the idea to do something to progress the country, to fix things that are broken and get more and more broken. But you are wrong if you think the ones wanting actual progress, wanting to fix things are the ones hating democrats. In reality the ones who want to keep things broken, who want to favor the big industry lobbies and the lobbies of the rich are the one who actually hate the democratic ideals.

I don't "hate the idea to do something to progress the country" - this is yet another radical idea from this echo-chamber of a thread. "All or nothing. Us vs. them. If they're not 100% with us, they're no different than Steve King."

I believe in universal healthcare. Do I believe single-payer is the way to go first? Yeah, by far. Will I lose sleep if it's the Sanders M4A? No.

Do I believe in affordable education? Yes. Do I believe in investing more in underprivileged communities and underfunded primary/secondary schools? Yeah. Do I believe in free college? Partially - I wouldn't want the flagship research-focused state schools to lose competitiveness. Do I believe in debt cancellation? Hell no.

Do I believe climate change is a national emergency? Yes. I also believe the GND is a poison-pill filled piece of trash. I believe in needing to move away from fossil fuels, and spending trillions if necessary. The GND is an attempt to transform the economy. AOC's Chief of Staff said so himself.

LGBT rights? Yes. Trans rights? Yes.

Reparations? Not cash, but investment in disadvantaged communities. This would align me with what Sanders said.

Do I believe the rich should be taxed higher? Yes. Warren's wealth tax? Yes. Sanders wealth tax (and rhetoric?) Fuck no. I happen to believe in capitalism and the free market. Corporations should be taxed and regulated, but I actually like being employed.

Do I believe in DACA? Yes. Do I believe all deportations should be stopped? Fuck no.

I'm also not a hyper-isolationist that is willing to act as an apologist for far-left dictatorships abroad.

Also, I don't live in the land of delusions where all of these ideas are going to be popular all over the US. Yes, I'd rather have a centrist plan than having to see McConnell as the Senate Leader again.

So, with all these radical ideas you're supporting according to this post, do you "hate Democrats, what Democrats stand for, and 90% of Democrat politicians with decades of service"?

No, that puts me into the Biden / Pete / bit-of-Warren camp.

Are you actually claiming this thread isn't extremely anti-establishment, very much outside the mainstream? The median opinion here is: "Gabbard is right, fuck the Clintons. Fuck the media."

I'm just gonna point out to you, majority of americans do not like the media and majority of them do not like the clintons... just saying. The reason Trump won was because he was a fake populist cause honestly, people do not like the establishment and they feel let down by them.

Nope, that is not the median opinion. Median might be around Sanders or Warren. Most people defending Gabbard from smears in this thread already declared they prefer Sanders or Warren, but still stand against the smear-tactics. But at least as much or even more than the defenders in this thread are attacking Gabbard. So your impression of the thread is slanted or you exaggerating. This doesn't help your point.

Also this is no answer why you started out with declaring this thread is hating democrats and democratic ideals. With such a heavy attack you have to expect backlash, but now you_'re backpedaling and emphasizing progressive credentials. If you're so progressive, why the hard attack on progressives in the first place?

EDIT: And by the way, need I remind you that even Beto O'Rourke and Pete Buttigieg criticized Clinton for her attacks on Gabbard. And the two don't actually are ssen as the most radical in the race. Defending Gabbard from outrageous smears isn't something that makes you stand outside the democrats. You can still disagree with her on policy. Standing with Clintons outrageous smears on the other hand finds seemingly not so much a place in the democratic party. Not a single high profile Democrat stood with Clinton in this fight, some only avoided commenting on this.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/267047/americans-trust-mass-media-edges-down.aspx

Hmh. You're right. Funny though that the main drag down is actually caused by Republicans.

The majority of Americans do see Bill Clinton favorably. I know you don't like polls because you get facts out of Krystal Ball videos, but if the "establishment" was so hated, why is Bernie only polling at 20% vs pretty much everyone else?

I'm going to call myself a center-left liberal. The "progressive" tag is toxic. It has been taken by red-rose, Bernie-or-Bust, primary-incumbents-at-all-costs people. And yes, I take issue with progressives. At a time when Republicans have become the party of hate, division, no compromise, conspiracy, media-hate, my-way-or-the-high way, it is disheartening see the party of Barack Obama, the man who brought the most ambitious healthcare reform in decades and paid massively for it, follow the same path.

The Republican party has pretty much kicked out anyone who doesn't fall in line with Trump and is 100% with him in all issues. This is what the far-left is trying to make out of the Democratic party. 

Warren, for example, is trying to work within the party to enact change, and that's great. The Sanders coalition is just trying to tear it all down and demonize anyone who isn't with them 100% as "rich neoliberals".

Edit:

Yes, no one would make such a charged statement about Gabbard to avoid backlash, but she is widely despised by elected officials and woefully unpopular with the public. https://www.politico.com/news/2019/11/21/tulsi-gabbard-dems-072672

True, Gabbard is not too much liked by the public. But you had to name Clinton in the same sentence as the opposite. But you know what. The public despises Clinton even more:

https://medium.com/@PollsAndVotes/hillary-clinton-favorability-1993-2019-95ab99c35d49

Are Joe Biden, Barack Obama, Pete, Klobuchar, Harris also unpopular? Is that your proof the establishment is hated?