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I don't think FF should become a new type of game.  I think it should become an old type of game.  I have love this series since the very first one.  For many years I considered it my favorite series.  But after 13, they lost me, somewhat.  And after 15 they lost me all the way.  The quality dropped a lot on the 13 games compared to previous entries, and with 15 I just played it for an hour and couldn't get into it.  Final Fantasy used to be my favorite series and now I barely care if another one comes out.

I would like them to go back to the design of the older games.  Specifically FF 4-12 were when they were really firing on all cylinders.  I think of FF games as turn-based, party-based games with a very strong story.  They start kind of linear, but eventually reveal a huge open world.  That is what I want again.  Please return to that old FF magic that I loved for decades.



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FF Versus XIII for the PS3 was going to be that ideal game. FFXV was a rush job that became part of the numbered series for marketing purposes. I don't think FFXV and AC: O can be compared, AC: O is a yearly series like CoD, while FF is SE attempts at a brand changing game.



Few things here

* Persona is a B class JRPG. Sales and critical reception have nothing to with it. I'm sure nobody considers Wii Fit a AAA game right? It is entirely budget based with games with more than 50mill considered "AAA". We on this site should know that.

* This is not about if Final Fantasy should or should not be open world game because that choice has already been made. This is also not about if Final Fantasy should be more like Western RPGS. Its more like Final Fantasy truly committing to an open world experience, and the kind changes to formula that would have to happen.

* Final Fantasy is Global AAA IP. I have seen Persona 5, Bravely default and Octopath brought up, none of them AAA. Those games can do what they do because they are not competing on global scale! Ask yourselves, when was the last time we had a Turn based AAA JRPG? FF13 right? The only time we see turn based RPGS now are on handhelds, B class developers and small low budget projects like Octo. Final Fantasy is in the same field as games like Uncharted, God of war, Halo, Witcher, Skyrim and that other stuff, luxury IP's that are suppose to represent the best of their genre. FF going back to be like SNES/PS1 games is not firing all cylinders! They were amazing for their time...15-20+ years ago.



 

Xxain said:
Few things here

* Persona is a B class JRPG. Sales and critical reception have nothing to with it. I'm sure nobody considers Wii Fit a AAA game right? It is entirely budget based with games with more than 50mill considered "AAA". We on this site should know that.

Dude Persona is not a B class RPG no matter what you tell yourself and sales and critical reception has everything to do with it. Also Wii Fit is an AAA game, it has the production values and the marketing and the sales number and the quality (for the ppl that like that types of game). You just made up an arbitrary 50 mil number, AAA are games that have big production value (Persona has that, maybe not int he past but Persona 5 had it and Persona 4 most likely had it too) but that besides the point, you said its B class wich has nothing to do with its production value but with its quality, P 5 is a better JRPG than any other this generation and possibly ever, its S+ class.

Xxain said: 
* Final Fantasy is Global AAA IP. I have seen Persona 5, Bravely default and Octopath brought up, none of them AAA. Those games can do what they do because they are not competing on global scale! Ask yourselves, when was the last time we had a Turn based AAA JRPG? FF13 right? The only time we see turn based RPGS now are on handhelds, B class developers and small low budget projects like Octo. Final Fantasy is in the same field as games like Uncharted, God of war, Halo, Witcher, Skyrim and that other stuff, luxury IP's that are suppose to represent the best of their genre. FF going back to be like SNES/PS1 games is not firing all cylinders! They were amazing for their time...15-20+ years ago.

You seen to think that the only way FF can be far reaching is by abandoning its roots, it was exactly that that made it loose popularity. Nobody asked Square to stop doing turn based FFs, they decided it wasn't modern enought by themselves and lost market, not gained.

Last edited by DakonBlackblade - on 31 January 2019

The direction Final Fantasy should take is two fold:

1. Going back to it's roots with spin offs (Think games like Octopath Traveler, Bravely Default, or perhaps FF Tactics.)

2. Going back to fan favorite styles (FFX, FFVIII, FF XII).

I didn't hate FFXV but it was absolutely an unfinished and unpolished game, even without looking at all the dlc fragments. Even if the production problems hadn't cropped up, the core gameplay did not feel "Final Fantasy." It's like ever since XIII and it's sequels, Square has forgotten what made people love their FF games. They're trying and failing to mimic western games, many of which are generic enough as is.

And as others have already pointed out, there are examples of JRPGs with lesser budgets that have been successful (Persona, Xenoblade). The best Final Fantasy games were personal, semi-open worldish narratives that made you care about each of the party's characters, the worlds they fought to protect, and the adventures they had along the way. None of the newer FF games have managed this imo.



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It's too late. It's already become a new type of game and is massively worse off because of it. It should go back to what made it great in the first place. That worked well for Resident Evil so FF should do the same!



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I think FF needs to continue to evolve and do new things. This is what made FFIII, FFVII, FFX some of my all time favorites. Sure it can churn out duds (imo) like FFIX or FFXV, but i'm willing to accept that.



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Xxain said:
Few things here

* Persona is a B class JRPG. Sales and critical reception have nothing to with it. I'm sure nobody considers Wii Fit a AAA game right? It is entirely budget based with games with more than 50mill considered "AAA". We on this site should know that.

* This is not about if Final Fantasy should or should not be open world game because that choice has already been made. This is also not about if Final Fantasy should be more like Western RPGS. Its more like Final Fantasy truly committing to an open world experience, and the kind changes to formula that would have to happen.

* Final Fantasy is Global AAA IP. I have seen Persona 5, Bravely default and Octopath brought up, none of them AAA. Those games can do what they do because they are not competing on global scale! Ask yourselves, when was the last time we had a Turn based AAA JRPG? FF13 right? The only time we see turn based RPGS now are on handhelds, B class developers and small low budget projects like Octo. Final Fantasy is in the same field as games like Uncharted, God of war, Halo, Witcher, Skyrim and that other stuff, luxury IP's that are suppose to represent the best of their genre. FF going back to be like SNES/PS1 games is not firing all cylinders! They were amazing for their time...15-20+ years ago.

Firstly, how do you know the development/marketing budget of Persona?

Secondly, why are you pulling a definition of "AAA game" out of your ass and saying "we should know that"?

Thirdly, why are you pulling more shit out of your ass about FF being an open world game already having been decided?

And finally, why are you pretending that Pokemon isn't a AAA turn based JRPG that's in the same category as Uncharted, God of War, Halo etc?



Bet Shiken that COD would outsell Battlefield in 2018. http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8749702

Thank you for this. I was almost going to try FFXV



 

DakonBlackblade said: 
Xxain said: 
* Final Fantasy is Global AAA IP. I have seen Persona 5, Bravely default and Octopath brought up, none of them AAA. Those games can do what they do because they are not competing on global scale! Ask yourselves, when was the last time we had a Turn based AAA JRPG? FF13 right? The only time we see turn based RPGS now are on handhelds, B class developers and small low budget projects like Octo. Final Fantasy is in the same field as games like Uncharted, God of war, Halo, Witcher, Skyrim and that other stuff, luxury IP's that are suppose to represent the best of their genre. FF going back to be like SNES/PS1 games is not firing all cylinders! They were amazing for their time...15-20+ years ago.

You seen to think that the only way FF can be far reaching is by abandoning its roots, it was exactly that that made it loose popularity. Nobody asked Square to stop doing turn based FFs, they decided it wasn't modern enought by themselves and lost market, not gained.

I did. As I saw those games improving visually, I naturally expected them to transition away from being completely turn based, and preventing their games from looking like this as time goes on:

The older games and their pixel art style very much suited turn based play, but as you strive for more realistic visuals and style, turn based starts to look rather jarring and dated.