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Forums - Sales Discussion - Global Hardware 15 December 2018

CrazyGPU said:
RolStoppable said:

But it always leads to funny arguments when people are determined to insist that Nintendo has left the home console market.

It´s not semantics. The power envelope and the graphics capabilities shows that its a mobile device. 

Then why is it that you can only access docked power when the console is...docked.

 

It is a weaker home console, but a powerful handheld.  The benefit to using it as both is being able to take your console games with you without double dipping or starting a new save, and vice versa.  Power has nothing to do with it, and even so games like DOOM, Warframe, Wolfenstein 2, Valkeria Chronicles 4, Ys VIII, Crash N Sane, Dragonball Xenoverse 2, Dragonball FighterZ, NBA2k, Diablo 3, Starkink, etc have shown that the console can handle many current gen multiplat games.

 

It is a weaker console, with the benefit that it is also a powerful handheld.



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Man even for one week, people really cant stand Nintendo being on top. Is the hate really at that level?



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SKMBlake said:
0D0 said:

Shelf space and time is not enough to determine a market. Switch and PS4 are on different segments in terms of overall price (games included), library, technology and consumer target.

How a 299$ console hasn't the same pricepoint of a 299$ console ? Which also has 60$ games in their library.

And please, consumer target is the same, minus the fact that the PS4 appeals more on teenagers and the Switch to young adults.

My bad.

I meant that games for PS4, at this point, are mostly discounted, while on Nintendo we know that they'll probably never be reasonable discounted, since everything is more expensive on Nintendo overall. It's much cheaper to build a collection on PS4/X1 than on Nintendo.

The consumer target is not the same. Never has been. Nintendo has never target the same consumers since Wii.



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SKMBlake said:
0D0 said:

Shelf space and time is not enough to determine a market. Switch and PS4 are on different segments in terms of overall price (games included), library, technology and consumer target.

How a 299$ console hasn't the same pricepoint of a 299$ console ? Which also has 60$ games in their library.

And please, consumer target is the same, minus the fact that the PS4 appeals more on teenagers and the Switch to young adults.

Wait what?????????



PwerlvlAmy said:
Man even for one week, people really cant stand Nintendo being on top. Is the hate really at that level?

Hate's a strong word and you know it, Mr Moderator :)

PS4 is a five year old bag, with no significant releases on December, competing with a Smash machine.



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0D0 said:
PwerlvlAmy said:
Man even for one week, people really cant stand Nintendo being on top. Is the hate really at that level?

Hate's a strong word and you know it, Mr Moderator :)

PS4 is a five year old bag, with no significant releases on December, competing with a Smash machine.

Hate is the right word imo. Overall dislike of something is easily identifiable,as it can be also justifiable, but it seems some people genuinely have a hatred for Switch in this thread. I don't get it. 



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PwerlvlAmy said:
Man even for one week, people really cant stand Nintendo being on top. Is the hate really at that level?

I don't think this has anything to do with nintendo being on top. I think everyone knew that was going to happen. 

This is about the "hybrid" nature f the NS. Handheld vs home console. Its an argument that has been gin on fr as lon as the NS existed and is represented differently by different publications. So its logical that there will be some division even here as t what exactly it is.

This all started with someone pointing out that nintendo has done really well and made a come back and how people said nintendo was dead as far as home consoles go. And then he was told (while not taking anything away from nintendo) that nintendo "is" dead as far as dedicated home consoles go which is why what they have made is a hybrid. 

And now.... apparently not classifying nintendo as a home console somehow means whoever is doing or saying that has some sort of evil agenda or even "hates" nintendo as you put it.



PwerlvlAmy said:
0D0 said:

Hate's a strong word and you know it, Mr Moderator :)

PS4 is a five year old bag, with no significant releases on December, competing with a Smash machine.

Hate is the right word imo. Overall dislike of something is easily identifiable,as it can be also justifiable, but it seems some people genuinely have a hatred for Switch in this thread. I don't get it. 

I fail to see what abut what anyone has said here so far points to a "genuine" hatred of the switch.

All the switch debate has been purely about handheld vs home console. Not sales or its performance.



Intrinsic said:
Shiken said:

No you have it twisted.  There are two reasons why the Switch at docked power would be ineffective as a handheld.  One is heat.  The fan ramps up notably higher and the console gets considerably warmer.  This leaves it with moving parts and leaves it more fragile in a portable environment.

 

The other is the battery life.  The extra juice required would sap it dry in no time.

 

It seems that there is no correct answer for you, and you will only say what you think will sound better for what you want to happen.  It is BECAUSE the dock does so little that the Switch itself is a hybrid by design, and not just a portable with an extra attachment.  It is designed to operate as both at a hardware and software level.  If you hack it to be one way or another, you are altering the entire form factor of the product that is being sold.

OK. So the dock doesnt have a fan or have like some sort of additional PSU.

So if there were a USB c cable that spilt into HDMI and power to allow the switch connect to a TV and also draw power from the wall at the same time will that work?

 

That would technically be a rigged dock (which could damage the device if your power regulation is off), and the image would no longer be on the Switch screen.  Remember when dock mode it triggered, the screen on the Switch no longer works (as it is being used as a console at this point).  If it were still working as a handheld, you would be able to play on the portable screen, no?

And does that mean that the PSP was a hybrid too or even better a home console? Because it had a TV out cable. 

 

No because unlike the Switch, it is just outputting the image to the TV and nothing more.  The Switch literally changes how it functions based on wether or not it is docked or not.  The PSP outputting to the TV was more of a feature than a change in form.

 

Plus with the Switch you get a number of current gen multiplats designed for consoles, and all of Nintendo's console designed games.

 

However if someone really wanted to only play on the PSP and use it as a console, who am I to say they are wrong?

 

And its not about hacking it... I believe before this gen is done nintendo will sell the NS without a dock and just cables instead. 

 

Ok, that does not change the fact that it has two different operations for two different forms, be it cables or a dock.



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Intrinsic said:
PwerlvlAmy said:
Man even for one week, people really cant stand Nintendo being on top. Is the hate really at that level?

I don't think this has anything to do with nintendo being on top. I think everyone knew that was going to happen. 

This is about the "hybrid" nature f the NS. Handheld vs home console. Its an argument that has been gin on fr as lon as the NS existed and is represented differently by different publications. So its logical that there will be some division even here as t what exactly it is.

This all started with someone pointing out that nintendo has done really well and made a come back and how people said nintendo was dead as far as home consoles go. And then he was told (while not taking anything away from nintendo) that nintendo "is" dead as far as dedicated home consoles go which is why what they have made is a hybrid. 

And now.... apparently not classifying nintendo as a home console somehow means whoever is doing or saying that has some sort of evil agenda or even "hates" nintendo as you put it.

Right. Nintendo isn't dead in the handheld nor console department. That much is a fact ,as you know we have the Switch. So that argument really doesnt make any sense.  Nintendo has done well to come back after what we got with the Wii U and after the sluggish start with the 3DS, so they were correct.  Person that said it was dead as far as home consoles go is just completely wrong as Nintendo has Switch. Switch is a hybrid, the best of what both a home console and handheld can provide a user. It is both a home console and it is also a handheld, that's factual. People tend to pick one or the other to steer an argument in their specific direction for the sake of trying to be right. When the answer is straight forward. There's no hidden mystery.

Honestly I feel the hatred for the Hybrid idea stems from people actually being mad that Nintendo was the one to perfect it first,as far as the big 3 go, and not Microsoft/Sony. That's the vibe I get.  Am I wrong about that? maybe, but it's the opinion i gotta stick with for the time being after seeing responses lately. 



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