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Forums - Sales - Global Hardware 8 December 2018 (Smash Week)

drinkandswim said:
2016 Microsoft
Hardware Sales 8.4 million
Software sales 67 million
2017 hardware 7.7
Software 54 million
We dont have complete numbers for 2018 yet but it looks like PS4 will be down around 10%.

Like I said, minor declines.

PS4+XBO

2014-22.5

2015-26.1

2016-26.0

2017-28.0

2018-22.7 (3 weeks to go, 25-26m total)

Consoles cant just have infinite growth, they have to come down at some point and the 5th year of a consoles life having a decline is normal, it has nothing to do with Switch and everything to do with these consoles starting to reach market saturation with combined sales of ~130 million.

PS2+XB & PS3+360 each did ~175 million which is right about where PS4+XBO will end up.



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drinkandswim said:

It doesnt matter if I am right or wrong just stating my opinion. As a Microsoft supporter I dont think they survive
next generation unless they can improve their AAA Exclusives. Sony will survive but their numbers will be way down. Gaming is just moving towards more mobile. Now maybe Sony or Microsoft will have a hybrid. We will see then my opinion changes.

I don't agree, I think Microsoft will do very nicely next-gen. Rumors has it they will launch a cheap Sku probably for 300$, this will be a very deadly console against Sony especially in US/UK. Both Microsoft and Sony will probably sell more consoles next-gen as they both will have backwards compatibility and can those grow a bigger userbase instead of having to reset to 0.

About gaming moving into mobile space, we already had another dude making those predictions, (videogameaccount) I have so far followed them predictions and his accuracy has been 0% and I suspect you will end up somewhere around that number too, haha :)



6x master league achiever in starcraft2

Beaten Sigrun on God of war mode

Beaten DOOM ultra-nightmare with NO endless ammo-rune, 2x super shotgun and no decoys on ps4 pro.

1-0 against Grubby in Wc3 frozen throne ladder!!

A very good week for Sony and a decent week for Nintendo considering they just launched Super smash.

I've made 3 predictions regarding Switch I think nobody in this forum has.

1. Switch will sell 14 Million consoles 2018

2. Switch sales will peak it's second year (2018)

3. It will sell less than 3DS

So far it's looking good, first prediction is almost confirmed as this what Michael Pachter recently said (quote) "Switch sales under 20 million: A+, tracking to 13 million this year".

My second prediction we won't know for awhile but with all big games released (Mario, Zelda, Pokemon and Smash) it will very likely peak 2018 as there is no third-party games to keep the Switch afloat.

Third prediction is based on that Switch just won't hit that low price of 99-149$ that 3ds did, if Nintendo insist of having a dock it will probably never go below 249$ pricing.

 

Source on Michael Pachter quote:

https://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2019-01-02-what-lies-ahead-analysts-make-2019-predictions



6x master league achiever in starcraft2

Beaten Sigrun on God of war mode

Beaten DOOM ultra-nightmare with NO endless ammo-rune, 2x super shotgun and no decoys on ps4 pro.

1-0 against Grubby in Wc3 frozen throne ladder!!

melbye said:
LOL, Smash-week and PS4 still, albeit marginally, sells more in Europe.

"Smash week" is only significant for the US and Japan. In most other countries Smash is generally viewed as a novelty game where you can pit Nintendo characters against each other: and not this big holy grail of games that Americans seem to worship it as.

While many might buy Smash if they have a Switch already, hardly any will buy a Switch because of Smash Bros - the main driver for the Switch in Europe is simply the fact that it's December and it's an easy Christmas gift for the kids: and getting games for it makes easy gifts for the next 4-5 years.



I describe myself as a little dose of toxic masculinity.

"Switch Pro and Lite - While the 2019 Switch Pro has been already reported to be in development by the Wall Street Journal, I also think Nintendo will offer a "Switch Lite" (or just keep the current version at a lower price) to cover the lower end of the spectrum and offset sinking 3DS sales."

Can someone show me a solid proof and not a rumor or rumor package that we will see a Switch Pro soon ? I was among those who believes that there won't be any, until today. I say "today" just because maybe one of you will show me a source in a few minutes. Until I see something nearly from Nintendo themself, I still stick on my theory that the current Switch hardware is already the "WiiU Pro" of the 8th generation.



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If the numbers are near right fantastic week for Switch and pitty for X1, PS4 on an okayish level.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

Amnesia said:

"Switch Pro and Lite - While the 2019 Switch Pro has been already reported to be in development by the Wall Street Journal, I also think Nintendo will offer a "Switch Lite" (or just keep the current version at a lower price) to cover the lower end of the spectrum and offset sinking 3DS sales."

Can someone show me a solid proof and not a rumor or rumor package that we will see a Switch Pro soon ? I was among those who believes that there won't be any, until today. I say "today" just because maybe one of you will show me a source in a few minutes. Until I see something nearly from Nintendo themself, I still stick on my theory that the current Switch hardware is already the "WiiU Pro" of the 8th generation.

The switch is not at all related to the Wii U. The concept is completely different, the architecture is completely different, the media is completely different.

A Wii U Pro would use power PC architecture, Wii U optical discs, do the assymetric gameplay thing, and might add in another screen to the back of the controller, so you can flip it over on its back to access even more screens while playing. Also, they'll lower the load time to get into games to only 4 minutes.



I describe myself as a little dose of toxic masculinity.

I don't want to debate this, I disagree with your way of defining the "Pro" thing.

Or let me call it rather "mid gen refresh" instead of "Pro".

 

I was asking for a solid element which can tell us that we can expect the "Switch Pro" in 2019.



SKMBlake said:
The Switch made a huge week and people be like "yeah PS4 is a beast"

No one should be really shocked that Switch is doing awesome right now, makes it less impactful to be told what we know.



My prediction for this week was 1,6M for the Switch and even with such a score, it would be too short to reach 20M shipped, and I think I was more than optimistical for the Q4 here :