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What generation is the Nintendo Switch?

Generation 8 (PS4, XBoxOne) 71 44.94%
 
Generation 9 57 36.08%
 
Generation 1 (of the hybrid era) 14 8.86%
 
I don't care...I come to VGC for the chicks 16 10.13%
 
Total:158

Everyone that is saying Switch is Generation 9 has to at least agree that Xbox One X is Generation 9. Just because it is still technically an Xbox One doesn't really mean much. Then PS4 Pro could also be considered Generation 9. Switch IMO isn't Generation 9 it is a replacement for Generation 8 Failure Wii U. I would go with Generation 8.5 for Switch, PS4 Pro and Xbox One.



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drinkandswim said:
Everyone that is saying Switch is Generation 9 has to at least agree that Xbox One X is Generation 9. Just because it is still technically an Xbox One doesn't really mean much. Then PS4 Pro could also be considered Generation 9. Switch IMO isn't Generation 9 it is a replacement for Generation 8 Failure Wii U. I would go with Generation 8.5 for Switch, PS4 Pro and Xbox One.

100% of Xbox One X games also run on the Xbox One (S). Their libraries are identical, so why should they be different generations?

100% of PS4 Pro games also run on the PS4. Their libraries are identical, so why should they be different generations?

0% of the Switch games run on the 3DS/n3DS or WiiU.



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drinkandswim said:
Everyone that is saying Switch is Generation 9 has to at least agree that Xbox One X is Generation 9. Just because it is still technically an Xbox One doesn't really mean much. Then PS4 Pro could also be considered Generation 9. Switch IMO isn't Generation 9 it is a replacement for Generation 8 Failure Wii U. I would go with Generation 8.5 for Switch, PS4 Pro and Xbox One.

What? No. The One X plays the exact same games as an Xbox One. Your logic is backwards here.



It's gen one of hybrid conoles, unless there are/were other hybrid consoles that I'm not aware of. I know that VGC categorized it as 8th gen home console, but if you ask 10 different people, how they mainly use their Switch, you'll get 2 different answers, with close to 50/50 split. That simply indicates that there should be 3rd category and I'm gonna stand by it.

OR, if MS's rumors are correct, maybe we should simply scrap the idea of console generations as in the future we might see incremental hardware updates every two-three years and individual sales for SKUs like XB1X or PS4pro should be indicated as well. Hypothetically, if 100% of year one and two next gen games are fully compatible with the latest hardware revisions (like PS4pro), are they going to be true next gen consoles? I doubt it. At least they're not going to be perceived as next gen.  I honestly wouldn't be even slightly surprised if this happens.

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JimmyFantasy said:
Pemalite said:

There was no "128-bit gen".

The Original Xbox was 32-bit and the Dreamcast is also 32bit.
The Playstation 2 and Gamecube had 64bit capabilities with a 32bit subset. - We could probably class them as 32bit devices.

Even today Jaguar is just a 64bit processor.

Bits are about as useful as flops in determining system capabilities or console generation groupings.

I remember that at the time it was called the 128bit "next gen".

Maybe you are right about the cpu specs, they are not 128bit, but overall the architecture were 128bit or at least the compute unit in the GPUs. 

Dreamcast "128-bit graphics-oriented floating-point unit delivering 1.4 GFLOPS" wiki

Gamecube "The Dolphin platform is reputed to be king of the hill in terms of graphics and video performance with 128-bit architecture." wiki 

Playstation2 "Communications between the MIPS core, the two VPUs, GIF, memory controller and other units is handled by a 128-bit wide internal data bus running at half the clock frequency of the Emotion Engine but, to offer greater bandwidth, there is also a 128-bit dedicated path between the CPU and VPU0 and a 128-bit dedicated path between VPU1 and GIF. At 150 MHz, the internal data bus provides a maximum theoretical bandwidth of 2.4 GB/s. Vector processing unit registers: 128-bit wide, 32 entries" wiki 

It was marketed as 128 bit gen. XD

Marketing doesn't equate to reality. - If you wish to believe they are 128-bit systems, just know... You are wrong.
They are not 128-bit systems.

The "bits" is referred to the registers/words of a CPU and often had nothing to do with the GPU, memory bus width or whatever other rubbish marketers come up with.

Just like Blast processing.

Megiddo said:
drinkandswim said:
Everyone that is saying Switch is Generation 9 has to at least agree that Xbox One X is Generation 9. Just because it is still technically an Xbox One doesn't really mean much. Then PS4 Pro could also be considered Generation 9. Switch IMO isn't Generation 9 it is a replacement for Generation 8 Failure Wii U. I would go with Generation 8.5 for Switch, PS4 Pro and Xbox One.

What? No. The One X plays the exact same games as an Xbox One. Your logic is backwards here.

So... Basically what you are saying is that the release window has nothing to do with a console generation then? It's the games?



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SpokenTruth said:
8.

Generations are more than just the predecessor/successor relationships of flagship consoles but are linked to a market timeline that competes for the same market share and revenue. This has been the accepted definition since the beginning. It's why we have had several instances of multiple consoles by the same company being considered part of the same generation since the very first generation.

Pretty much exactly what I came in to say. Generations are more than just the year it was released.



zygote said:

Honestly, in retrospect, WiiU almost didn't exist. Even Nintendo is treating it as such. It is like a prolonged Virtual Boy period. WiiU is like a Switch Beta period, and I think game history will as well in another 20 years.

By 2025, hardcore Nintendo fans will have to remind most people that the Wii U even existed. 



It's both gen 8 and 9 at the same time 



Conina said:
DonFerrari said:

And that is why they are specialists and us mere users =p

So how many generations must we add on the Handhelds due to Game Boys versions that older GBs couldn't play some games from newer, DS1 and N3DS?

Game&Watch -1

GB -2

Virtual Boy -3

GBC - 4

GBA - 5

DS - 6

DSi - 7

3DS - 8

N3DS - 9

Switch - 10

Is that how you would classify gen for Nintendo Handhelds?

Plus it seems like you just ignored the part of Virtua Boy and WiiU being killed of prematurely and being replaced, plus the HW inside Switch being in line with what we have in gen 8 but won't be for gen 9.

Virtual boy didn't have any mainstream games, all its games were focused on a special gimmick/feature... it is similar to EyeToy, PS Move, Kinect and PSVR, which all are additions to the "normal" games. It also wasn't very mobile/portable so I'm irritated that you count it to the handheld generations.

Over 95% of the DSi game library also ran on the DS, over 95% of the new3DS library also ran on the 3DS.

0% of the WiiU or 3DS games run on the Switch. 0% of the Switch games run on the 3DS/n3DS or WiiU.

Do you really want to claim that these situations are the same?

 

Sorry but Virtual Boy was a standalone console, not a peripheric. And you calling it gimmick/feature doesn't change that. Or we could say all NES games focused on a special gimmick that was the controler so it wasn't a console as well.

Plus the games that run in Virtual Boy didn't run in GB and vice-versa.

The fact you get irritated or that it's portability was limited means nothing. If you want to go arbitrarily like this then people can also say that Switch battery is so bad that it can't count as a mobile device as well.

Still there were games made exclusively to them. You wanted to go the nitpick route so don't try and put caveats in all to try and make your point stand.

No one is claiming anything is the same. You were the one starting the silliness to count or discount it. Just deal with the fact that if WiiU wasn't a failure there wouldn't be a fast release of switch and it would be a proper gen 9 device instead of a replacement even if much more successful.



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