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Which SKU would you buy?

2TB Disc Drive SKU $499 14 46.67%
 
1TB NO Disc drive SKU $399 9 30.00%
 
Neither 7 23.33%
 
Total:30

Hasn't MS basically confirmed that they will have multiple options from here on out?



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VAMatt said:
Hasn't MS basically confirmed that they will have multiple options from here on out?

They haven't confirmed anything. There are rumors though. Like a stream box (which honestly any $50 android box, phone or tablet can do), a mid level sku ($399 1080p/60fps) and a high level sku($499+ 4k/60fps). I actually like the idea of the lower and higher level sku out of the gate, but yh; still just a rumor.



I voted for the one without the drive and just 1tb but not because I want to pay less but because I don't want a disc drive and I would upgrade the had anyway to a ssd so that just makes more sense for me even though the console would cost me more because of the ssd and the digital versions being more expensive most of the times...

Edit: fix the damn auto correct.

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My opinion on the all Disc Drive and full digital consoles is that MS/Sony will have to be willing to take an up front loss on the hardware to pursue the long game of more profits from digital sales, Subscription services and fewer used copies been resold, I don't think simply offering a console without a disc drive for $50 would be worth it or be very effective. They would have to do something along the lines of:
$499 - Console with Disc Drive
$349 - Disc-less full digital console

I think at the start of next gen if either or both MS and Sony go this route the disc drive will be the top Sku initially with the digital only console eventually becoming the lead Sku 3 years into the cycle as the digital trend speeds up.



StriderKiwi said:

This.

And having worked at retail before, selling digital only titles is a pain. I hate to stereotype, but a lot of customers really are uninformed. And they always want to return EVERYTHING no matter the condition. Digital returns aren't an option. Plus there'd be less of a reason for customers to come to store to buy digital if they can just get it off the PS/Xbox store at home. I think the only reason they do that now is because the vast majority of retail shoppers purchase physical titles.

Disc-less consoles won't work yet but I wouldn't be surprised if Sony in particular tried that right out of the gate. They've been letting the PS4 success get to their heads, ignoring that Nintendo was basically a non-competitor most of the cycle and Xbox shat themselves right at the reveal. And the last two console cycles began with either Sony or Microsoft overestimating their appeal based on them "winning" the previous cycle. 

Some regions... Returning digital purchases is a consumer right protected under the law.

With that in mind... Just because a game is a digital purchase, doesn't mean that they can't buy a physical digital code, many PC games these days are just an empty DVD case when sold via physical sales channels.

Trumpstyle said:

Releasing a discless console is just a dumb idea, how much do a blu-ray drive cost sony/microsoft? 10$ is my guess. Same with releasing a only streaming box, it's a waste of time, so far this is just rumors so I would w8 if microsoft will really do something like this.

1 idea I have is also releasing a ps5+ or next xbox+, these consoles would have vapor chamber cooling and twice the hard drive storage space, but still exactly the same cpu/gpu performance. I like this idea as some people probably want a really quiet console or more storage.

A BD-XL is about $120 AUD.
So I would expect $50-$60 USD.

But that isn't the entire cost.

You have warranty costs (More parts, more failures, more costs and support), you have the power management, chipset and other pieces of logic, the engineering to shroud the system from vibrations and EM interference... I could go on.

It's not always "free". - Consequently, Microsoft and Sony have the advantage of shopping for a better deal and buying in bulk which helps.

I am all for a discless system, I won't own one personally though, but more choice is never a bad thing for the consumer.



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I'm not sure that pricing logic makes sense. I'm sure research is needed on the matter but the casual gamer or family/kid orientated console purchase to me seems more likely to demand a disc compared to early adopters and the tech savy lot. I don't think Sony or MS will go out of their way to make the disc based system any more expensive then it needs to be, considering its also the most "accessible" version of the console. In short they won't put disc drives behind a truly premium system ("$100 worth of difference).

I'm also not sure they need a premium system so I think it'll be closer to $399 (2tflop system, discless), $449 (1tflop Disc based system). HDD and Discdrive upgrades being sold separately for a nice margin.

1. I don't think $399 or under is mandatory. It's been the price for the last decade, but the decade before $299 was the norm. Sony will likely launch first and have the freedom to set the market price. I see PS4 having longevity in 3rd party support so PS5 being a premium $449-499 for its first 12months isn't out of the question. I think it very could do well with that price tag.

2. Even still I'm confident that $399 can produce a pretty capable next gen system. Pro and X1X aren't priced as competively as if they were a mainline systems, neither sony or MS are giving figures but neither is passing that 15m mark before the arrival of next gen. Respectively PS5/X4 will pack more bang for buck than Pro or X1X because of economies of scale and better prices from AMD. Performance wise I think hardware based 4k s& Ray traycing solutions and new CPU's will be what afford next gen systems a huge boost over Pro/X1X. And we should consider those upgrade systems untapped to be honest because they're just receiving quick PS4/X1 ports, so I don't think Next Gen need to blow XB1X out the water with raw specs to be seen as a big leap.



I think they will also revolutionise how digital purchases are done in order to make them more retail and storage friendly i.e NFC cards printed with actual artwork and such.



zorg1000 said:
Wouldnt it make more sense for the system without the disk drive to have more storage?

There is hope for the human race yet lol. Was thinking the same thing



 

 

I think I won't buy any next-gen console at launch, but if I buy it, I'll definitely the one that has a disc drive. No way I'm going digital only at this point.



 

Otter said:
I think they will also revolutionise how digital purchases are done in order to make them more retail and storage friendly i.e NFC cards printed with actual artwork and such.

This is actually a really great Idea. Having a physical NFC activated card that is good for a one time digital use. So that way retail stores still are able to sell "physical" copies of games and do all their usual discount stuff. 

Only issue though is why would anyone buy the card if it only means they go back home and download the game anyways? The card will have to be cheaper somehow or something.

Cobretti2 said:
zorg1000 said:
Wouldnt it make more sense for the system without the disk drive to have more storage?

There is hope for the human race yet lol. Was thinking the same thing

Again, not if the disc free SKU is marketed as the "budget" option. 

And in case you don't know, all games are installed onto the HDD currently. Disc or not. Having a 1TB base system without a drive will be the exact same thing as having a 500GB base system back in 2013.

As I said before, companies do these kinda margins tricks all the time.