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Replicant said:
Snoopy said:

Nordic countries aren't socialists. They practice free markets but pay higher taxes for government entitlements. Right now they are paying higher taxes and they are moving politically right because it turns out people don't want to pay high taxes. It isn't sustainable in the long run and people want to keep what they earn. Not to mention we pay for their defense which I wish we weren't since Nordic countries don't really contribute anything back imo.

Bold: As a Dane, that's hilarious to read. I can assure you, things are pretty good in Denmark to say the least.

Yes, we pay high taxes in order to have a more equal society. Still, you can easily be succesfull and make a lot of money.

Things are pretty good in the United States under Republican control as well. I can imagine things are pretty good in Denmark considering we pay for your security because God knows why.

Fair != Justice. Taking money from others and leaching off of productive people isn't right or moral. 



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If you want an opinion, your best shot at the presidency is Biden. He may be classical in his approach, but he caters very well to the independent crowd (something I never see brought up in elections considering their influence) and his message works in the Rust Belt States that Trump took such as Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania. As an independent person who is fiscally conservative but mostly libertarian everywhere else, Biden would be the Dem I would most likely vote for. His issues are his age and how he appeals to the millenial generation, but it's one of those things where if you want to overtake Trump you must make compromises.

Bernie is a bit of oddball in that he is older like Biden but his politics just don't work with a majority of Americans. Socialism is still hated by many on the right and in the middle, so you have to hope that his charisma carries him throughout the entirety of the Dem's base, which I don't think it could. He's an older white dude which turns off certain communities in the Dems camp, and he's socialist which will likely disgust many of the slightly left leaners in the camp as well.

As far as Harris or Booker, they would have the minority vote, but they are sorta relegated to where they're from. Harris is from CA, which will turn off many Rust Belters, and Booker really lacks any sort of personality from what I've seen of him. An AOC type to me seems to me unfeasible purely because independents I'm around absolutely despise AOC and people similar to her.

I myself only voted for Trump because Hillary was far worse, but looking at this years nominees, there is absoluetly no one I have seen so far minus Biden that makes me think that they could certainly beat Trump.



If Democrats run Harris (aka Chocolate Hillary) then the party deserves to be disbanded. It seems like she is who the party is pushing as of now.

Dems should be routing for Andrew Yang, but are they doing that? No. #YangGang



Snoopy said:
Replicant said:

Bold: As a Dane, that's hilarious to read. I can assure you, things are pretty good in Denmark to say the least.

Yes, we pay high taxes in order to have a more equal society. Still, you can easily be succesfull and make a lot of money.

1: Things are pretty good in the United States under Republican control as well. I can imagine things are pretty good in Denmark considering we pay for your security because God knows why.

2: Fair != Justice. Taking money from others and leaching off of productive people isn't right or moral. 

1: Things are not just "pretty good" in Denmark. Hence the "to say the least". The latest World Happiness Report again ranks Denmark among the top three happiest of 155 countries surveyed – a distinction that it has earned for seven consecutive years. The US, on the other hand, ranked 18th, a four-spot drop from the last report.

2: Private companies and entrepreneurs also benefit from a strong public sector. That's why the latest World Bank's Doing Business Report ranks Denmark as the 3rd best country in the World to start a business in. "Productive people" have a whole slew of different public grant funds to support them building their businesses. You cannot enjoy all these benefits of a strong public sector only to turn your back on everyone the moment you strike gold. That's not how society works.

I'm self-employed and I make a healthy amount of money. Still, I'll gladly pay my taxes to support my fellow Danes. You know why? Because the taxes paid by other Danes supported me and my business in the past. Everything is covered by the public sector – health care, education, pension, etc.
It's not like we aren't getting anything in return.

Don't blindly believe everything you watch on Fox News. You have to mix it up a little. This video is good example of why.



We never know when someone will die. Just vote for who you believe in. Even if Bernie only was in office for 2 years, the changes and effect he would have would be huge. He is a "new deal" level candidate. Nobody else fits what he represents and could pull off. I don't care how young or healthy they are.



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Replicant said:
Snoopy said:

1: Things are pretty good in the United States under Republican control as well. I can imagine things are pretty good in Denmark considering we pay for your security because God knows why.

2: Fair != Justice. Taking money from others and leaching off of productive people isn't right or moral. 

1: Things are not just "pretty good" in Denmark. Hence the "to say the least". The latest World Happiness Report again ranks Denmark among the top three happiest of 155 countries surveyed – a distinction that it has earned for seven consecutive years. The US, on the other hand, ranked 18th, a four-spot drop from the last report.

2: Private companies and entrepreneurs also benefit from a strong public sector. That's why the latest World Bank's Doing Business Report ranks Denmark as the 3rd best country in the World to start a business in. "Productive people" have a whole slew of different public grant funds to support them building their businesses. You cannot enjoy all these benefits of a strong public sector only to turn your back on everyone the moment you strike gold. That's not how society works.

I'm self-employed and I make a healthy amount of money. Still, I'll gladly pay my taxes to support my fellow Danes. You know why? Because the taxes paid by other Danes supported me and my business in the past. Everything is covered by the public sector – health care, education, pension, etc.
It's not like we aren't getting anything in return.

Don't blindly believe everything you watch on Fox News. You have to mix it up a little. This video is good example of why.

1. That list is very misleading. People are just upset that Trump is still president. I mean Americans, have higher expectations than most countries and want more. Look how feminists here in the United States protest and complain, yet this country gives them a lot more opportunities than any other country in the world. This is what happens when you are spoiled, you feel more entitled. Kind of like a little kid. In fact, I am willing to bet most of the people who are complaining in the United States that this Country is terrible or are unhappy here will starve to death if they lived in pretty much any other Country.

2. Again, Denmark is a free market regarding business. You would know that if you really are an entrepreneur. That's why the United States is always ahead of the other countries when it comes to innovation and business in general. Public sector welfare queens... I mean "employees" are being downsized right now which is great. Means more money in my pocket to invest in my side businesses and I might invest in some other startups. The employees will get a job in private sector and actually be productive. Which will create jobs and new products.

3. Education and Pensions is easily obtainable in America with a little hard work. I don't feel sorry for anyone who can't get an education or pension in America. We are the richest country in the world with the most opportunity by far. Health care is a problem, due to government control and raising prices artificially. Also, I noticed you didn't mention Military spending. I hope to god we drop support for Nordic countries until they pull their own weight which Trump hinted at multiple times.  Then we will see where your tax money really goes into. 

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Replicant said:

This video is good example of why.

The video is too good to be relegated to only a link. It needs to be embedded:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJ1gjObNDv8



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DarthMetalliCube said:

No's/Probably not's:
Kamala Harris - Seems like a Hillary Clinton lite, just another cog in the Neolib corporate machine, the fact that she seems to be the establishment and MSM's darling is a worrying sign for me.
Biden - More Obama? No thanks. And another old, establishment Dem Candidate. Snore...
Booker - Don't know much about him, but seems a bit douchey to me
Beto - No little about him too, but I think he's more on the etablishment/neolib side of things too, is he not? Maybe I'll look more into him.
Warren - Kind of found her appealing initially as she seemed anti-Wallstreet and Bernie-esque, but seemed to succumb to the typical identity politics, constant Trump bashing brand of the Dems, not my cup of tea. Plus the fact that she mostly lied about her Indian heritage rubbed me the wrong way.

Maybes:
Bernie - Don't like how he bascially sold out to the Clinton machine in '16 and went out with a whimper after getting screwed over by the super delegates and DNC collusion. Also he's really getting up there in age, and perhaps maybe a little TOO far left for my current tastes.
AOC - Again, somewhat extreme, but I do like that she is largely separate from the corporate Neolib machine. Though she's looking a bit crazier to me than when I initially followed her, and she's also succumbing to the typical "poor me, vote for me b/c I'm a woman!" identity politic bs, which I find extrememly repellent. Though she's currently too young to run anyway, so I guess this counts as a theoretical '28 run..

As of now Tulsi's the only candidate I think I'd really put a definite vote towards on the Democrat side. Though if she ran with Bernie on the ticket (either as prez OR VP, I'd very likely vote for Bern too).

Harris positions are actually much closer to Tulsi, Bernie and AOC than anything Clinton or otherwise establishment; Warren would be more like Clinton. Biden is more like a male Clinton (he's gonna be the establishment's candidate if he runs), and Booker is closer to a more left-wing Obama.

AOC is not illegible, even for VP since she's too young, but she could run in 2024.

But I agree also that Bernie/Tulsi would also be my  dream team for 2020.

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Snoopy said:
Replicant said:

1: Things are not just "pretty good" in Denmark. Hence the "to say the least". The latest World Happiness Report again ranks Denmark among the top three happiest of 155 countries surveyed – a distinction that it has earned for seven consecutive years. The US, on the other hand, ranked 18th, a four-spot drop from the last report.

2: Private companies and entrepreneurs also benefit from a strong public sector. That's why the latest World Bank's Doing Business Report ranks Denmark as the 3rd best country in the World to start a business in. "Productive people" have a whole slew of different public grant funds to support them building their businesses. You cannot enjoy all these benefits of a strong public sector only to turn your back on everyone the moment you strike gold. That's not how society works.

I'm self-employed and I make a healthy amount of money. Still, I'll gladly pay my taxes to support my fellow Danes. You know why? Because the taxes paid by other Danes supported me and my business in the past. Everything is covered by the public sector – health care, education, pension, etc.
It's not like we aren't getting anything in return.

Don't blindly believe everything you watch on Fox News. You have to mix it up a little. This video is good example of why.

1. That list is very misleading. People are just upset that Trump is still president. I mean Americans, have higher expectations than most countries and want more. Look how feminists here in the United States protest and complain, yet this country gives them a lot more opportunities than any other country in the world. This is what happens when you are spoiled, you feel more entitled. Kind of like a little kid. In fact, I am willing to bet most of the people who are complaining in the United States that this Country is terrible or are unhappy here will starve to death if they lived in pretty much any other Country.

2. Again, Denmark is a free market regarding business. You would know that if you really are an entrepreneur. That's why the United States is always ahead of the other countries when it comes to innovation and business in general. Public sector welfare queens... I mean "employees" are being downsized right now which is great. Means more money in my pocket to invest in my side businesses and I might invest in some other startups. The employees will get a job in private sector and actually be productive. Which will create jobs and new products.

3. Education and Pensions is easily obtainable in America with a little hard work. I don't feel sorry for anyone who can't get an education or pension in America. We are the richest country in the world with the most opportunity by far. Health care is a problem, due to government control and raising prices artificially. Also, I noticed you didn't mention Military spending. I hope to god we drop support for Nordic countries until they pull their own weight which Trump hinted at multiple times.  Then we will see where your tax money really goes into. 

Sure im all for the rest of the world not being dependent on America no more,surely with the shift of power the future might bring us and America can invest those funds on itself for proper education and healthcare.



Snoopy said:
Replicant said:

1: Things are not just "pretty good" in Denmark. Hence the "to say the least". The latest World Happiness Report again ranks Denmark among the top three happiest of 155 countries surveyed – a distinction that it has earned for seven consecutive years. The US, on the other hand, ranked 18th, a four-spot drop from the last report.

2: Private companies and entrepreneurs also benefit from a strong public sector. That's why the latest World Bank's Doing Business Report ranks Denmark as the 3rd best country in the World to start a business in. "Productive people" have a whole slew of different public grant funds to support them building their businesses. You cannot enjoy all these benefits of a strong public sector only to turn your back on everyone the moment you strike gold. That's not how society works.

I'm self-employed and I make a healthy amount of money. Still, I'll gladly pay my taxes to support my fellow Danes. You know why? Because the taxes paid by other Danes supported me and my business in the past. Everything is covered by the public sector – health care, education, pension, etc.
It's not like we aren't getting anything in return.

Don't blindly believe everything you watch on Fox News. You have to mix it up a little. This video is good example of why.

1. That list is very misleading. People are just upset that Trump is still president. I mean Americans, have higher expectations than most countries and want more. Look how feminists here in the United States protest and complain, yet this country gives them a lot more opportunities than any other country in the world. This is what happens when you are spoiled, you feel more entitled. Kind of like a little kid. In fact, I am willing to bet most of the people who are complaining in the United States that this Country is terrible or are unhappy here will starve to death if they lived in pretty much any other Country.

2. Again, Denmark is a free market regarding business. You would know that if you really are an entrepreneur. That's why the United States is always ahead of the other countries when it comes to innovation and business in general. Public sector welfare queens... I mean "employees" are being downsized right now which is great. Means more money in my pocket to invest in my side businesses and I might invest in some other startups. The employees will get a job in private sector and actually be productive. Which will create jobs and new products.

3. Education and Pensions is easily obtainable in America with a little hard work. I don't feel sorry for anyone who can't get an education or pension in America. We are the richest country in the world with the most opportunity by far. Health care is a problem, due to government control and raising prices artificially. Also, I noticed you didn't mention Military spending. I hope to god we drop support for Nordic countries until they pull their own weight which Trump hinted at multiple times.  Then we will see where your tax money really goes into. 

1. Has it ever crossed your mind that people may be "upset" with Trump for a reason?
I don't know what your definition of a "feminist" is but speaking of equal rights and opportunities, Denmark has the most equal income distribution in the World, the highest minimum wage in the World, and it's the least corrupt country in the World (lesser chance for wealthy lobbyists to bribe politicians and public authorities).
You say that many privileged Americans would starve to death in any other country than the US. Maybe it'd be healthy for the wealthiest Americans to learn how to share their fortunes considering that up to 10% of Americans aged 18-25 have been homeless over the past year.

2. Thank you! Please help explain Fox News that the Scandinavian/Nordic Model isn't socialism or communism. Denmark is a social democracy underpinned by a free market capitalist economic system.
Yup, the US is far ahead of other countries. Its national debt has now crossed $22 trillion.

3. "Education and Pensions is easily obtainable in America with a little hard work." Is that why 83% of Americans say they can't afford college?
Regarding the military, it'd be great if the US would ease a little on the bombings of all their "enemies". One would almost believe that they intended to cripple Europe and the countries of the refugees.