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Puppyroach said:
In what way is Medicare for all a leftist thing? Universal healthcare is popular all around the world, even in right-wing parties and I think most Americans support the idea?

I think the idea of a public option is popular around the world, but people want private options as well. The left really wants government to be the only options because private companies are evil and greedy, blah blah.

I lean to the right, I believe a public may need to happen or healthcare.gov needs to be expanded, but the left is making bigger promises than viable with its healthcare solution. The left tries to make us think rich people will cover the bills, its just not reality.



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fatslob-:O said:
Chris Hu said:

Again there is nothing paranoid about my statement and its 100% true since big pharma isn't as powerful and influential anywhere else on the planet besides the US. 

Your statement pretty much is paranoia ... 

Big pharma is influential in the US simply because they conduct the highest amount of clinical trials compared to ANY continent by virtue ... 

More importantly with biologics on the rise, treatments are becoming more permanent than ever before with gene therapy. Late last year, a biologic containing an AAV vector was approved by the FDA to cure Leber's congenital amaurosis which causes blindness ... 

You don't appreciate what big pharma does because you're too blindsided to not understand that they bring miracles ... 

Price controlling medicine like Europe or other common wealth countries is not a sustainable path for drug development and never will be. Advocates of that stance are too ignorant to not see that it is mainly the US who keeps funding their fragile little bubble ... 

We're waiting when ungrateful Europe will actually start contributing to big pharma in a significant capacity since they are run like charities currently or they could just end up being humiliated by the biggest third world country (China) in drug development ... (personally, I'm more eager to see Europe's social democrat backed price controls to fail then fall behind the likes of China

Massive irony to Europe that they'd be losing in biopharmaceutical research to nation that's constantly accused of "technology transfer" but I guess if they cannot pay for innovation they do not deserve to reap the fruits of it ...  

Bring miracles are you being sarcastic here what was the last major disease that actually got a cure via big pharma. 



Mr Puggsly said:
GProgrammer said:

Sure

1.4 Million Americans Will Go Abroad for Medical Care This Year. Should You?

It goes both ways. People with money come to the US for healthcare. Whether is be due to the long waits or quality. This isn't a debate, its reality.

Meanwhile people do leave the US for cheaper care.

Sure it goes both ways but I doubt more then 140K people a year come to the US to receive medical care in the US meanwhile ten times as many people leave the US to receive better or cheaper healthcare somewhere else. 



Chris Hu said:
Mr Puggsly said:

It goes both ways. People with money come to the US for healthcare. Whether is be due to the long waits or quality. This isn't a debate, its reality.

Meanwhile people do leave the US for cheaper care.

Sure it goes both ways but I doubt more then 140K people a year come to the US to receive medical care in the US meanwhile ten times as many people leave the US to receive better or cheaper healthcare somewhere else. 

What's your point exactly?

The countries people go to for cheaper healthcare are generally poor countries riddled with poverty and massive wealth disparity. They aren't going to Europe or some other country with socialized healthcare.

Its the same reason most of junk is made in poor countries, its cheaper to produce. Maybe the solution is we send everybody overseas for medical care?



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the-pi-guy said:
contestgamer said:
Hope so. Quality of healthcare would go down for the top 1%. There's a reason billionaires come to the US for their treatments from around the world.

I've asked you this before, do you have a source for that claim?

I did never see evidence of that claim either and why would billionaires come to the US for treatments when Europe has a good/better quality of healthcare for everyone.



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RolStoppable said:
NightlyPoe said:

Your logic does not follow.

Perhaps it would help if I explained that I was being facetious in using the term "evil".

Was that the only thing you were being facetious about? I hope so, because the initial claim that innovation would stop is bogus.

Ist that what already happened with the tech sector? there is almost no tech companies is the EU from higher company taxes. WHen obama increased the corporate taxe big companies when to china like apple. And now that trump brought it down again some of thouse big companies are coming back. The same with the trade deal. No tarifs to import, so no reason to build in the country, now that there are then companies want to build here. Just saying that even in the health industry its not a charity, profit drives inovation everywhere and every time.



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Rab said:
SuaveSocialist said:

Nope. The Spectrum has been well-mapped. A country may shift its position on the Spectrum, but the Spectrum itself doesn’t shift its position. 

That doesn't make sense

 

It makes perfect sense.  Whether you are able to understand it is up to you.



Panda718 said:

About 85-90% of Bernie voters in the primary voted for Clinton in the general. I along with a dozen members of my family fall into that group. And that roughly the same percentage of Clinton supporters who ended voting for obama in 2008 after their primary. Bernie or buster were a very small percentage of the populate. And I understand the elections were very close in certain states, but I will still fault the 40% percent that did not vote then the 1% of 3rd party voters or Bernie or buster. The divide seems much worse then it is due to social media. 

I agree. Social media amplifies the perception of political divide. When you sit down with the same individuals one-on-one you discover that you're ideologies aren't that far off. On social media people have an apparent vested interest in their stated positions and end up in shouting matches over issues they aren't actually that passionate about in everyday life. 



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Mr Puggsly said:
Puppyroach said:
In what way is Medicare for all a leftist thing? Universal healthcare is popular all around the world, even in right-wing parties and I think most Americans support the idea?

I think the idea of a public option is popular around the world, but people want private options as well. The left really wants government to be the only options because private companies are evil and greedy, blah blah.

I lean to the right, I believe a public may need to happen or healthcare.gov needs to be expanded, but the left is making bigger promises than viable with its healthcare solution. The left tries to make us think rich people will cover the bills, its just not reality.

Yeah, but there is no problem with having private options as well as long as everyone is guaranteed the same high quality healthcare, financed by taxes. In Sweden we also have private healthcare and private healthcare insurance. But you are still guaranteed all the help you need regardless of if you pay for additional private insurance.

And I think there is misdirection on both the right and the left. Healthcare cost will most likely drop significantly for US citizens if universal healthcare would be introduced but it would be a case of, for example, you as a citizen paying 1000$ more in taxes each year but in return you don´t have to pay 1500$ in private insurance each year. And since the wealthy earn so much more than those that make the least, they would pay a much larger proportion in relationship to how many they are.



SuaveSocialist said:
Rab said:

That doesn't make sense

 

It makes perfect sense.  Whether you are able to understand it is up to you.

Nope, doesn't make sense, how is every country in the World on the same spectrum with the same center point?

Explain what it is to be universally politically central so it fits within every countries definition 

Last edited by Rab - on 07 October 2018