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RolStoppable said:

Nintendo Switch has been on the market for a full 18 months by now. The launch hype is gone and the dust has settled, so this is a good time to recap the console's achievements or lack thereof. While the general consensus is that Switch is selling well and successful, such a conclusion doesn't hold up under scrutiny. It's not all sunshine and rainbows in Nintendo land and we have to be honest about it.

Exhibit A - Switch is the successor to both the Wii U and 3DS, and it's selling slower than its predecessors

The latest hardware sales update on VGChartz puts Switch's LTD total at 20.1m units by September 1st 2018. That's pretty much exactly 18 months after its launch on March 3rd 2017. Through their respective first 18 months on the market, Wii U and 3DS combine for approximately 24.8m units, so almost 5m more than Switch, according to VGChartz.

Exhibit B - Nintendo continues to make smartphone games and their new CEO Furukawa wants to grow that business

If Switch were truly successful, Nintendo would put their focus on their core business again. However, there's growing determination to shift away from it.

https://www.usgamer.net/articles/new-nintendo-president-wants-to-grow-companys-mobile-games-into-100-billion-yen-business

Exhibit C - Nintendo's stock price has dropped by approximately 25% since March 2018

Investors have been losing confidence in Nintendo for a while now. Switch is on a downward trajectory.

Exhibit D - The 3DS was a better portable than Switch is

Switch's battery life barely scraps past the 3 hours mark if we are generous. The original 3DS's battery life was 5 hours.

Exhibit E - The Wii U had better third party support than Switch

Wii U had Call of Duty, Assassin's Creed, Darksiders, Need for Speed, Madden, Tekken, Mass Effect, just to name a few. Switch has none of those and it doesn't look like that will change anytime soon, if ever.

Exhibit G - The best Switch games are Nintendo games

This irrefutable fact doesn't point towards a healthy software ecosystem. Quite the opposite, actually. It highlights that third parties aren't willing to invest in the platform.

Exhibit H - Online multiplayer has been put behind a paywall on Switch

The history of paid online multiplayer on consoles is a history of console manufacturers who struggled to make profit via honest business. Whether you take Sega, Microsoft or Sony, it's always the same story.

Conclusion

Nintendo Switch isn't the success that it is believed to be by Nintendo zealots. To be fair, the console isn't an outright failure. But overall Switch's performance in the marketplace has been rather middling and no amount of Mario games is going to change that.

Wow. This from the guy who harassed me for saying that the Switch wasn't going to pass the Wii in sales. Also, in that same article comment section, you argued that the Switch had great 3rd party support, but also that it didn't need it.



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Excellent and thorough write up.

I think you forgot other exhibits of data.

1. High cost of controllers or rampant accessories like requiring an SD Card. Clearly this is a sign of a company in need of cash and attempting to maximize what little profits it expects to make off of the switch.

2. Lack of non-gaming apps in the OS which were supported in Wii and WiiU and has become a standard in consoles.



AngryLittleAlchemist said:
CaptainExplosion said:

Get better grammar before you make your arguments.

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8846754

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8846772

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8846798

 

Bazinga!

This feels like a personal attack.



Exhibit G is true BUT DBFZ is coming out in a few hours. So take that, Rol!



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CaptainExplosion said:
AngryLittleAlchemist said:

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8846754

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8846772

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8846798

 

Bazinga!

This feels like a personal attack.

Ok, and? Your comment wasn't? 



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AngryLittleAlchemist said:
CaptainExplosion said:

This feels like a personal attack.

Ok, and? Your comment wasn't? 

How is criticizing one's grammar worse than trying to humiliate someone?



Player2 said:

Switch sales will fall off a cliff next year because Nintendo will have put all their biggest guns on the system by the end of 2018.

Ah yes. The cliff. It comes for us all.



CaptainExplosion said:
pokoko said:

That's pretty simple, though, isn't it?  I think most newcomers to VGC believe that trolling isn't allowed.  They don't yet know that it's not only allowed but often encouraged, as long as it's done a certain way.  Probably depends on who is doing it, as well. 

I remember being confused by this when I first came here.  There was a troll thread where the people replying to the troll were getting banned left and right but not the person trolling.  In fact, mods were in the thread showing support for the OP.  I always thought that was messed up.  If a troll thread is going to be allowed then there should be a lot more leeway given within that thread.  That was a long time ago, though, and I haven't noticed much of that in awhile.

So it'd be ok for me to make a thread saying "PlayStation isn't as valid anymore because it's first-party games are diminishing in quality and they rely too much on first person shooters and racing sims and FIFA."? Is that what you're trying to tell us?

You?  Probably not.



ironmanDX said:
Player2 said:

Switch sales will fall off a cliff next year because Nintendo will have put all their biggest guns on the system by the end of 2018.

Ah yes. The cliff. It comes for us all.

Sure, and I'll suddenly turn into a robot pirate who gives cheese to the poor that I steal from Prince John.

pokoko said:
CaptainExplosion said:

So it'd be ok for me to make a thread saying "PlayStation isn't as valid anymore because it's first-party games are diminishing in quality and they rely too much on first person shooters and racing sims and FIFA."? Is that what you're trying to tell us?

You?  Probably not.

So I'm being singled out from this?



pokoko said:
Veknoid_Outcast said:
How, after 11 years, do these threads still trick the uninitiated? 

That's pretty simple, though, isn't it?  I think most newcomers to VGC believe that trolling isn't allowed.  They don't yet know that it's not only allowed but often encouraged, as long as it's done a certain way.  Probably depends on who is doing it, as well. 

I remember being confused by this when I first came here.  There was a troll thread where the people replying to the troll were getting banned left and right but not the person trolling.  In fact, mods were in the thread showing support for the OP.  I always thought that was messed up.  If a troll thread is going to be allowed then there should be a lot more leeway given within that thread.  That was a long time ago, though, and I haven't noticed much of that in awhile.

Joke and satire threads have a long and glorious history on VGChartz, and I wouldn’t be so quick to lump this type of exercise in with the kind of mean-spirited trolling that kills conversation and debate. 

However if you think this thread is breaking forum rules you can always report it.