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Forums - Sales Discussion - Japan Sales Week 35 Media Create/Famitsu/Dengeki - August 27- September 02, 2018

Kerotan said:
Lawlight said:

They increased their forecast to 17M and I doubt Japan has anything to do with it. It only accounts for 8% of the total PS4 sales.

Ps4 this year will account for about 10% of sales so Japan absolutely has something to do with it. The only country with a bigger influence will be the USA which is basically a continent of 52 smaller countries anyway. 

USA is a continent now? I've heard it all now... 



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Miyamotoo said:
Kerotan said:

There'd be something seriously wrong if a handheld capable console made by Nintendo didn't dominate over a traditional home console in Japan. It outsold it by 26k units. I'm actually surprised its not outselling it by more. Ps4 so long overdue a price cut it's crazy. 

 

Well that handheld capable console has price point like home console not like handheld, while handhelds were always much cheaper than home consoles in Japan.

It launched cheaper then any home console by Microsoft or Sony. It certainly isn't modern day traditional home console price. It's in between which makes sense because it's a portable console with the ability to function with a TV. 



Kerotan said:
Miyamotoo said:

Well that handheld capable console has price point like home console not like handheld, while handhelds were always much cheaper than home consoles in Japan.

It launched cheaper then any home console by Microsoft or Sony. It certainly isn't modern day traditional home console price. It's in between which makes sense because it's a portable console with the ability to function with a TV. 

But not cheaper than Nintendo consoles and Switch is Nintendo console not Sony or MS console, it has higher price point than Wii and same price point like Wii U (base model whithout game), also not to mentione that 3DS had price point of $250 but only 6 months after launch needed to have price point to $170-180 in order to start selling, simple $250 price point for handheld was too high. So like I wrote, Switch has price point of home console not handheld, so no, its not strange thats not selling more because has price point of $300 that far away from price point of handheld (>$200).

Last edited by Miyamotoo - on 08 September 2018

seems winning eleven didn't help that much for ps4 hardware



Miyamotoo said:
Kerotan said:

It launched cheaper then any home console by Microsoft or Sony. It certainly isn't modern day traditional home console price. It's in between which makes sense because it's a portable console with the ability to function with a TV. 

But not cheaper than Nintendo consoles and Switch is Nintendo console not Sony or MS console, it has higher price point than Wii and same price point like Wii U (base model whithout game), also not to mentione that 3DS had price point of $250 but only 6 months after launch needed to have price point to $170-180 in order to start selling, simple $250 price point for handheld was too high. So like I wrote, Switch has price point of home console not handheld, so no, its not strange thats not selling more because has price point of $300 that far away from price point of handheld (>$200).

With so many people these days spending between $300 to $100 for a mobile phone, the switch price point will not make it a hard sell whatsoever. Unlike 3ds which graphically it's games were terrible compared to switch, which makes it a much harder sell when it's games visually look so basic. 

 

Switch is a step up from the vita graphically. It's the natural progression and I believe in today's world its price no way confirms it as mainly a home console. If they took the portability out of the switch it would be selling more like the Wii u hence why Nintendo will never make a traditional home console again. They just don't have the pulling power anymore to pull it off. That requires top class AAA support and to get that they need to make a powerful machine capable of supporting them all. And we can see Nintendo aren't willing. 



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Kerotan said:
Miyamotoo said:

But not cheaper than Nintendo consoles and Switch is Nintendo console not Sony or MS console, it has higher price point than Wii and same price point like Wii U (base model whithout game), also not to mentione that 3DS had price point of $250 but only 6 months after launch needed to have price point to $170-180 in order to start selling, simple $250 price point for handheld was too high. So like I wrote, Switch has price point of home console not handheld, so no, its not strange thats not selling more because has price point of $300 that far away from price point of handheld (>$200).

With so many people these days spending between $300 to $100 for a mobile phone, the switch price point will not make it a hard sell whatsoever. Unlike 3ds which graphically it's games were terrible compared to switch, which makes it a much harder sell when it's games visually look so basic. 

 

Switch is a step up from the vita graphically. It's the natural progression and I believe in today's world its price no way confirms it as mainly a home console. If they took the portability out of the switch it would be selling more like the Wii u hence why Nintendo will never make a traditional home console again. They just don't have the pulling power anymore to pull it off. That requires top class AAA support and to get that they need to make a powerful machine capable of supporting them all. And we can see Nintendo aren't willing. 

I dont talk about mobile phones, I talk about consoles/handhelds, fact is that Switch dont have handheld price point but home console price point. The switch price point will not make it a hard sell whatsoever, but you cant still expect really strong sales in Japan when Switch has price point of home console not handheld. Power and graphics dont change much, PSP and Vita were stronger and had better graphics than DS and 3DS, and yet DS sold almost twice better than PSP and 3DS become 3rd best selling gaming hardware in Japan ever. So no, its not strange thats not selling more because has price point of $300 that far away from price point of handheld (>$200), and when actualy Switch gets price point of around $200 in Japan, than will Switch relly start selling like crazy in Japan.

Reason why Nintendo went with hybrid nature of Switch dont have anything with power but with point that Nintendo couldn't support effectively two different platforms in same time any more.

Last edited by Miyamotoo - on 09 September 2018

Miyamotoo said:
Kerotan said:

With so many people these days spending between $300 to $100 for a mobile phone, the switch price point will not make it a hard sell whatsoever. Unlike 3ds which graphically it's games were terrible compared to switch, which makes it a much harder sell when it's games visually look so basic. 

 

Switch is a step up from the vita graphically. It's the natural progression and I believe in today's world its price no way confirms it as mainly a home console. If they took the portability out of the switch it would be selling more like the Wii u hence why Nintendo will never make a traditional home console again. They just don't have the pulling power anymore to pull it off. That requires top class AAA support and to get that they need to make a powerful machine capable of supporting them all. And we can see Nintendo aren't willing. 

I dont talk about mobile phones, I talk about consoles/handhelds, fact is that Switch dont have handheld price point but home console price point. The switch price point will not make it a hard sell whatsoever, but you cant still expect really strong sales in Japan when Switch has price point of home console not handheld. Power and graphics dont change much, PSP and Vita were stronger and had better graphics than DS and 3DS, and yet DS sold almost twice better than PSP and 3DS become 3rd best selling gaming hardware in Japan ever. So no, its not strange thats not selling more because has price point of $300 that far away from price point of handheld (>$200), and when actualy Switch gets price point of around $200 in Japan, than will Switch relly start selling like crazy in Japan.

Reason why Nintendo went with hybrid nature of Switch dont have anything with power but with point that Nintendo couldn't support effectively two different platforms in same time any more.

What if this is the new standard price of handhelds. Nintendo could have released a 250 switch but it would have been weak AF. IMO 300 is the new price they'll target for their mobile concerts going forward 



Kerotan said:
Miyamotoo said:

I dont talk about mobile phones, I talk about consoles/handhelds, fact is that Switch dont have handheld price point but home console price point. The switch price point will not make it a hard sell whatsoever, but you cant still expect really strong sales in Japan when Switch has price point of home console not handheld. Power and graphics dont change much, PSP and Vita were stronger and had better graphics than DS and 3DS, and yet DS sold almost twice better than PSP and 3DS become 3rd best selling gaming hardware in Japan ever. So no, its not strange thats not selling more because has price point of $300 that far away from price point of handheld (>$200), and when actualy Switch gets price point of around $200 in Japan, than will Switch relly start selling like crazy in Japan.

Reason why Nintendo went with hybrid nature of Switch dont have anything with power but with point that Nintendo couldn't support effectively two different platforms in same time any more.

What if this is the new standard price of handhelds. Nintendo could have released a 250 switch but it would have been weak AF. IMO 300 is the new price they'll target for their mobile concerts going forward 

Well yeah because the Switch is a new breed of handheld, its a handheld that is powerful enough to deliver console games. First time that has been done. It's more powerful than any system other than Xbox One and PS4, heck its more powerful that their home console that it replaced! Sure PSP and PSV had great graphics for portables when they released, but Switch totally changes the game. It's a console that you can take on the go. So of course it's gonna cost more than the old breed of portables where you went to play "small" games.

No other handheld in history could have sold at a console-level price of $300 because no other portable was in fact a console like the Switch is. 3DS' drastic price drop very quickly from $250 to like $170 is a perfect example of that. Switch is selling at the price point because it plays console games, but its just a handheld with an hdmi adaptor so when it hits that $200 price tag which is like the entry point for handhelds I agree it will really take off, at least relatively because obviously the sales have already taken off since launch.

Pokemon and lower price point and Japan will absolutely explode. I could see Nintendo maybe releasing a portable only version that still allows you to plug into a tv, but just you have to buy a gamepad because the controllers wouldn't come out of the portable only Switch and it'll still live up to the name Switch cuz you can still switch between tv and portable. I could see holiday 2019 leading up to the Pokemon release them coming out with a $200 portable only Switch to pick up gamers who just want a smaller portable device, which is probably millions of people in Japan. Though I'm not totally sure about this because I'm not sure if Nintendo would actually be willing to make a Switch without the joy-cons.

Last edited by Slownenberg - on 09 September 2018

Slownenberg said:
Kerotan said:

What if this is the new standard price of handhelds. Nintendo could have released a 250 switch but it would have been weak AF. IMO 300 is the new price they'll target for their mobile concerts going forward 

Well yeah because the Switch is a new breed of handheld, its a handheld that is powerful enough to deliver console games. First time that has been done. It's more powerful than any system other than Xbox One and PS4, heck its more powerful that their home console that it replaced! Sure PSP and PSV had great graphics for portables when they released, but Switch totally changes the game. It's a console that you can take on the go. So of course it's gonna cost more than the old breed of portables where you went to play "small" games.

No other handheld in history could have sold at a console-level price of $300 because no other portable was in fact a console like the Switch is. 3DS' drastic price drop very quickly from $250 to like $170 is a perfect example of that. Switch is selling at the price point because it plays console games, but its just a handheld with an hdmi adaptor so when it hits that $200 price tag which is like the entry point for handhelds I agree it will really take off, at least relatively because obviously the sales have already taken off since launch.

Pokemon and lower price point and Japan will absolutely explode. I could see Nintendo maybe releasing a portable only version that still allows you to plug into a tv, but just you have to buy a gamepad because the controllers wouldn't come out of the portable only Switch and it'll still live up to the name Switch cuz you can still switch between tv and portable. I could see holiday 2019 leading up to the Pokemon release them coming out with a $200 portable only Switch to pick up gamers who just want a smaller portable device, which is probably millions of people in Japan. Though I'm not totally sure about this because I'm not sure if Nintendo would actually be willing to make a Switch without the joy-cons.

Well said. I can't see them dropping the price this year anyway. No need. 



Slownenberg said:
Kerotan said:

What if this is the new standard price of handhelds. Nintendo could have released a 250 switch but it would have been weak AF. IMO 300 is the new price they'll target for their mobile concerts going forward 

Well yeah because the Switch is a new breed of handheld, its a handheld that is powerful enough to deliver console games. First time that has been done. It's more powerful than any system other than Xbox One and PS4, heck its more powerful that their home console that it replaced! Sure PSP and PSV had great graphics for portables when they released, but Switch totally changes the game. It's a console that you can take on the go. So of course it's gonna cost more than the old breed of portables where you went to play "small" games.

No other handheld in history could have sold at a console-level price of $300 because no other portable was in fact a console like the Switch is. 3DS' drastic price drop very quickly from $250 to like $170 is a perfect example of that. Switch is selling at the price point because it plays console games, but its just a handheld with an hdmi adaptor so when it hits that $200 price tag which is like the entry point for handhelds I agree it will really take off, at least relatively because obviously the sales have already taken off since launch.

Pokemon and lower price point and Japan will absolutely explode. I could see Nintendo maybe releasing a portable only version that still allows you to plug into a tv, but just you have to buy a gamepad because the controllers wouldn't come out of the portable only Switch and it'll still live up to the name Switch cuz you can still switch between tv and portable. I could see holiday 2019 leading up to the Pokemon release them coming out with a $200 portable only Switch to pick up gamers who just want a smaller portable device, which is probably millions of people in Japan. Though I'm not totally sure about this because I'm not sure if Nintendo would actually be willing to make a Switch without the joy-cons.

They are already selling a dockless, chargerless version on thier online store in Japan for 250