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| Yes. | 27 | 37.50% | |
| No. | 36 | 50.00% | |
| Indifferent/comments/Who is America? | 9 | 12.50% | |
| Total: | 72 | ||
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I agree with you on the first 7 gens, but WiiU was a second 7th gen console by nintendo. The WiiU multiplats were mostly ports of PS3 and Xbox 360 games. The Switch is 8th gen, receiving the same multiplats as the PS4 and XBone.
potato_hamster said:
Atari 5200 would like a word. Both it and the 2600 are part of the "2nd generation". |
Yes they did. Atari's 4th gen console was the Atari XE.
| Mnementh said: I'm kinda torn about this. Not about the question as it is, but about the generation thing at all. On the one hand, I see the usefulness to group things in the same category. On the other hand it is only working because most of the time the manufacturers decided to release their platforms not to far removed from each other. But there are already examples that stretch the definitions of gens. Look, the Dreamcast and Xbox weren't sold at the same time (Dreamcast was killed 2001, end of 2001 released the Xbox). Still they both are counted towards the PS2-gen. In reality though Dreamcast and Xbox never competed against each other. Depending on the overlap it makes sense to me, to compare the Switch to both, the PS4 and Xbox One, but also to PS5 and Scarlett. At least if Nintendo does not release Switch 2 a year after PS5 drops. |
Wrong. Dreamcast still had new retail games coming out in 2002. And many of the Xbox games after that were ports or cancelled releases of Dreamcast games.
8.5 and 7.5 respectively, the average is 8, so yes, let's call them both 8th gen. 
More seriously: yes, one was an early launched 8th gen console, the other a later launched 8th gen, the older came far too late to be 7th gen, the newer far too early to be 9th gen, both are on the market as main console together with competing 8th gen cnsoles, this should solve the issue.
| potato_hamster said: Atari 5200 would like a word. Both it and the 2600 are part of the "2nd generation". |
The 5200 was discontinued already in 1984 after only 2 years without really competing with any major 3rd Gen system (NES was only out in Japan until 1985). It’s a victim of the video-game crash and it was outlived by the 2600, it’s predecessor. I’d say that’s a fair enough reason to say it’s a second 2nd Gen entry for Atari. The generation classification we have isn’t perfect, but it’s not totally without reason or logic.
ThatDreamcastTho said:
Yes they did. Atari's 4th gen console was the Atari XE. |
It appears the internet has deemed the XE "third generation"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atari_XEGS
Look how murky those generation waters are getting.
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potato_hamster said:
Atari 5200 would like a word. Both it and the 2600 are part of the "2nd generation". |
I think the waters of where to historically place the ColecoVision and the Atari 5200 became muddied from both consoles lifecycles effectively being cut short by the North American Video Game Crash of 1983. The Atari 5200 was discontinued in May 1984. The ColecoVision was discontinued in 1985. So, the Atari 5200 was off the market for 2 full years before the NES entered the North American market, and the ColecoVision by about a year as well. Neither the ColecoVision nor the Atari 5200 ever competed with the NES at any point while they were actively being produced.
The Atari 7800 launched in May 1986, which was not far off (only 6 months) from the NES release in North America.
Also, for what it's worth, at the time of their release, ColecoVision and the Atari 5200 were actually considered to be "Third Generation" systems. For reasons referenced above, I think perception of these systems place in history became altered.
Mandalore76 said:
I think the waters of where to historically place the ColecoVision and the Atari 5200 became muddied from both consoles lifecycles effectively being cut short by the North American Video Game Crash of 1983. The Atari 5200 was discontinued in May 1984. The ColecoVision was discontinued in 1985. So, the Atari 5200 was off the market for 2 full years before the NES entered the North American market, and the ColecoVision by about a year as well. Neither the ColecoVision nor the Atari 5200 ever competed with the NES at any point while they were actively being produced. The Atari 7800 launched in May 1986, which was not far off (only 6 months) from the NES release in North America. Also, for what it's worth, at the time of their release, ColecoVision and the Atari 5200 were actually considered to be "Third Generation" systems. For reasons referenced above, I think perception of these systems place in history became altered.
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First off, thanks for the deep dive. Nice sources in that one.
Does it really matter if Atari has two second generation consoles or two third generation consoles? Doesn't your argument point out how silly it is to even have this conversation about this Switch at this time? The fact remains that there is plenty of precedent for console manufacturers to have two console in on generation. Hell, lump the Wii U in with Wii's generation if you want and call the Switch 7th's generation.
Either way, in a few years, people will come to an arbitrary consensus about what generation Switch ends up in, but I think trying to sort that out before we see how the Switch gets treated after the PS5/X2 are released is jumping the gun.
I think the notion of generations has become less and less useful in the recent years. If you insist on using generations, Switch could probably be considered a 8.5th-gen console. It came too late to be purely 8th-gen, but it's too soon to be clearly 9th-gen either. It's also quite lacking in the processing power department, which speaks a bit against it being a 9th-gen console. However, Nintendo already had an 8th-gen console and since there's nothing forcing it to be considered an 8th-gen console, I would consider if a 9th-gen console for now if we had to pick one generation. If it turns out that Nintendo's next console could easily be considered a 9th-gen console, we should maybe revise this conclusion, but until then, 9th gen seems like a fairly safe bet.
But like I said: the concept of generations has become less and less useful. For Nintendo, this is definitely the 9th generation, but in the big picture, it's not so clear.
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