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Miyamotoo said:
potato_hamster said:
Third party games are selling well on Switch? Since when?

Sure they're selling better than they did on Wii U, but multi-platform games are in general not selling that well on Switch. EA hasn't even bothered to port Madden to the Switch, and that's almost exclusively based on FIFA sales.

 

Helloplite said:
They do? This kind of thread warrants some proof first. Yeah, probably doing better than Wii U, which was suicide for third parties to develop for, but is it really doing that well for third parties once Wii, DS, and 3DS are taken into account? Has it even reached the number of GameCube third party million sellers yet?

 

Yes they do, we have numbers, publishers statements, we even have comparison of games on XB1 where around half of compared games sold better on Switch despite smaller install base, not to mention that plenty of Indies stated their games sold best on Switch. 

So we dont talk only about better sales than on Wii U, but better than on 3DS and Wii for current install base,  and even better in plenty of cases than same games on XB1. 

Also we dont talk only about 3rd party games, games are generally selling very good on Switch. 

Why do people keep using install base as if it's some extremely critical metric? This "smaller install base" console has more 5+ million sellers in the 1.5 years it's been out than the Xbox One has in the 5+ years it's been out. If there's a game on your platform that isn't bundled and is pushing 10 million+ in sales, I don't see how many "install base" argument can possibly be made since the platform owners are clearly going out and buying the games they want in droves.




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GoOnKid said:
pxrocks said:

I hope every nintendo gamers are like you.because nintendo needs it.third parties are more important than ever and nintendo knows it.

The day when third parties will on nintendo platform start selling more than those typical rinse repeat games aka Mario and Pokemon then we can all say that third party sell well on nintendo platform.until then we can only hope.

Here we go again.

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=229571&page=1#

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=235226&page=1#

tl;dr: the VGC community has bought twice as many third party than first party games.

All that shows is how unrepresentative of the gaming community VGC is.



potato_hamster said:
GoOnKid said:

Here we go again.

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=229571&page=1#

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=235226&page=1#

tl;dr: the VGC community has bought twice as many third party than first party games.

All that shows is how unrepresentative of the gaming community VGC is.

No no no no no, Sir. You must have never heard how important forum dwellers like us are! The industry counts on us!



potato_hamster said:
Alkibiádēs said:

So let me see if I follow your logic here... EA won't port Madden to the console because Fifa 18 sales were disappointing (according to you), but why then did they announce Fifa 19 for the Switch? LOL.

Also Bethesda just announced that the new Doom will also be released on the Switch, so they must be happy with how their earlier ports sold on the console. Also I made a post in this thread with plenty of sources that show third party games are selling very well on the Switch.

It's funny how Switch success seems to bother people like you. Makes it all the more fun to me. 

Because it's far cheaper to make another release of FIFA that already exists on Switch than it is to port Madden. FiFA's 18 Switch sales are good enough to justify another FIFA game, but not good enough to justify starting the process of starting the port of an entirely new game. I've been in the room when EA asked my company to take on porting one of the games mid-development cycle on one of their legacy platforms. They literally had a formula they used based on sales reports to determine which platform gets which game, and how much of an investment it justified. But let's be clear, that's just EA's criteria (and this was years ago), and every publisher is different. All I know is the fact is that there is no Madden 19 for Switch means its incredibly likely that EA is not very optimistic about sales on Switch as a platform.

That being said, Bethesda has different criteria for porting games to Switch, as does every publisher.  It's entirely plausible they're willing to accept a profit margin on a title that is below what EA will accept.We also don't know if they have a deal with Nintendo where Nintendo is either partially funding, or discounting  their platform fees in order to facilitate Bethesda's continued efforts.

Third party games are selling "very well" on the Switch based on what criteria? Compared to other Nintendo platforms? Sure. Compared to Sony or Microsoft platforms? Definitely not. Based on the the investments third parties are making in releasing new Switch games after the first year or so of sales? That's a bit lukewarm to be honest.

Why would Switch success bother me? I own one. I also have a pro controller, and over a dozen games, many of which are third party., I *want* the Switch to do well. I *want* third party games to sell well. You don't actually think that anyone that disagrees with how well third party games are selling on the Switch must be a "Switch hater" or anything like that, do you?

So you're going with your gut feeling instead of all the evidence I posted in an earlier post.

Just lol... And yes they're selling well, also compared to PS4 and Xbox One. Your problem is that you only look at the AAA market and think that's all that matters. Well, how many third party AAA Switch titles have released simultaneously with other consoles?



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pxrocks said:
KLAMarine said:

Sure, why not?

Thank goodness too. Those are the games that appeal to me: cartoony and colorful.

A typical thing for any business to do: cut costs whenever possible and it turns out you can make a great-looking game if you rely on art style over dense textures. You can make it run better too.

I'm doing my part: I own more third party games than first party and last I checked, a healthy number of third party games inhabit high rankings in the e-shop.

I hope every nintendo gamers are like you.because nintendo needs it.third parties are more important than ever and nintendo knows it.

The day when third parties will on nintendo platform start selling more than those typical rinse repeat games aka Mario and Pokemon then we can all say that third party sell well on nintendo platform.until then we can only hope.

I'd much rather prioritize sales on a quality basis rather than fuss about whether the game is first or second or third party.



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Helloplite said:
They do? This kind of thread warrants some proof first. Yeah, probably doing better than Wii U, which was suicide for third parties to develop for, but is it really doing that well for third parties once Wii, DS, and 3DS are taken into account? Has it even reached the number of GameCube third party million sellers yet?

Third-party devs do Xbox One-level sales on Switch, depending on the title: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=236419



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Mnementh said:
Helloplite said:
They do? This kind of thread warrants some proof first. Yeah, probably doing better than Wii U, which was suicide for third parties to develop for, but is it really doing that well for third parties once Wii, DS, and 3DS are taken into account? Has it even reached the number of GameCube third party million sellers yet?

Third-party devs do Xbox One-level sales on Switch, depending on the title: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=236419

Very interesting, although I suspect when we cross compare with Wii, we will see plenty of stuff was viable, even mediocre titles. But it is excellent to see the Switch do so well on the third party front - if these numbers are reliable.



Helloplite said:
Mnementh said:

Third-party devs do Xbox One-level sales on Switch, depending on the title: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=236419

Very interesting, although I suspect when we cross compare with Wii, we will see plenty of stuff was viable, even mediocre titles. But it is excellent to see the Switch do so well on the third party front - if these numbers are reliable.

These are VGC-numbers. They may be wrong in detail, but I doubt that systematic errors have changed the big picture.



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my greatest games: 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021, 2022, 2023

10 years greatest game event!

bets: [peak year] [+], [1], [2], [3], [4]

Because Nintendo themselves are only re-releasing Wii U games! (sad trumbone) (rimshot) (laughtrack)

But really. Nintendo is providing a lot of leg-room for 3rd parties this time around. It's nice.



Alkibiádēs said:
potato_hamster said:

Because it's far cheaper to make another release of FIFA that already exists on Switch than it is to port Madden. FiFA's 18 Switch sales are good enough to justify another FIFA game, but not good enough to justify starting the process of starting the port of an entirely new game. I've been in the room when EA asked my company to take on porting one of the games mid-development cycle on one of their legacy platforms. They literally had a formula they used based on sales reports to determine which platform gets which game, and how much of an investment it justified. But let's be clear, that's just EA's criteria (and this was years ago), and every publisher is different. All I know is the fact is that there is no Madden 19 for Switch means its incredibly likely that EA is not very optimistic about sales on Switch as a platform.

That being said, Bethesda has different criteria for porting games to Switch, as does every publisher.  It's entirely plausible they're willing to accept a profit margin on a title that is below what EA will accept.We also don't know if they have a deal with Nintendo where Nintendo is either partially funding, or discounting  their platform fees in order to facilitate Bethesda's continued efforts.

Third party games are selling "very well" on the Switch based on what criteria? Compared to other Nintendo platforms? Sure. Compared to Sony or Microsoft platforms? Definitely not. Based on the the investments third parties are making in releasing new Switch games after the first year or so of sales? That's a bit lukewarm to be honest.

Why would Switch success bother me? I own one. I also have a pro controller, and over a dozen games, many of which are third party., I *want* the Switch to do well. I *want* third party games to sell well. You don't actually think that anyone that disagrees with how well third party games are selling on the Switch must be a "Switch hater" or anything like that, do you?

So you're going with your gut feeling instead of all the evidence I posted in an earlier post.

Just lol... And yes they're selling well, also compared to PS4 and Xbox One. Your problem is that you only look at the AAA market and think that's all that matters. Well, how many third party AAA Switch titles have released simultaneously with other consoles?

No, not gut feeling, knowledge and experience. You know, the opposite of a "gut feeling".

And what? You're treating the sales of a handful of indies, most of which that sell less than 500K, and a handful of third party exclusives that have sold well as "third party games selling well". Okay. Well if you when you set the bar so low for "selling well" its easy to claim anything is "selling well". My kid's lemonade stand is "growing rapidly" and "dominating the market" because he's the only one that currently has one and todays sales of 10 doubled yesterdays sales of 5.