You know what I find appalling? That you can't seem to understand that there's a whole gradient of what is and is not acceptable between two extremes. You act and respond as if the only options are to tolerate nothing or tolerate everything and are treating me as a person who is hypocritical because I say "you should be nice" while also not being the nicest to a specific subset of people. On the surface, that sounds hypocritical, but considering the different levels of heinous acts being committed (One is an actual abuse of women, the dehumanization of half the population of the country, and a significant affront to basic human rights; the other being me saying 'these people are terrible for violating human rights' or 'you're cruel for not having compassion for those who deserve basic human rights.) 

If you can't differentiate between what is an unforgivable crime against women and someone saying 'cut out the human rights violations', then maybe you shouldn't be having discussions about ethics. Only fools would truly believe that there's no gradient between black and white. 

I am not kind to you or anyone else who is saying Canada should 'keep their noses out of Saudi Arabia's business' because your unwillingness to take action against cruelty indirectly broadcasts your own endorsement of said cruelty. 

We should fully embrace tolerance and equality of women, gays, people of color, and all religions, but only so long as those groups are not using their platform and newfound power to enact cruelty on others. Gays just want to marry and enjoy their partners same as everyone else, and their homosexuality does nothing to harm straight people. Women just want to be treated as equals and given the same rights as their male counterparts. PEople of color and other races just don't want to be the victims of racism and thus get the same rights and equality as everyone else. For the most part, religious people just want to worship however they want without interference or judgement of others (There are definitely issues with some subsets of some religions, but that's not a debate for here.)

Saudi Arabia is actively resisting the rights of their women (And in some cases, like the one at hand, inflicting their laws upon women who were born outside of their nation as well). This is not a case of 'let me practice my own religion without interference', it's 'allow me to continue to commit acts of human rights violations', thus completely changing the landscape of the argument. The moment Saudi Arabia's leaders are using their culture as an excuse to subjugate half their population is the moment action needs to be taken. 

Every woman deserves the right to be treated like a real human being, and I will continue to be intolerant of any nation that actively suppresses those rights. Saudi Arabia is a despicable nation who does despicable things and action needs to be taken against them, even if it is just a global pressure to 'get with the times'. If that takes Canada and the UN actively telling them to cut it out, then I support that and so should you. Not wanting to enact change to make the world a better place or actively resisting it makes you a bad person, as far as I'm concerned. 

Which is why I am telling you and anyone else who thinks like you not to breed. Stop using complacency as an excuse for stagnation. We as a race have come so far towards making the world a better place. Don't stall it becuase of some misguided attempt at neutrality; Such neutrality only supports evil. 

There's so much here that's either baseless, straight out wrong, willfully ignorant of the issues at hand, or sorely misguided that I'd need an essay to explain how thoroughly incorrect you are on so many levels. 

Since I don't have 4 years and an ethics degree to shove in your face, I'll just say this: have some compassion, do better research, and cut it out with the attempts at power plays. You come across as heartless, petulant, and completely ignorant of the issues at play, here. 

i'm the one who cares that millions of people have died due to western interference, whereas you just want to sweep that under the rug and i come across as heartless and ignorant of these issues? lol ok

What are you even on about? this has nothing to do with 'western interference in the middle east'. This thread, and my comments in it, have always been about how terribly Saudi Arabia treats women (and gays, but mostly women) due to an interaction where they jailed a Canadian woman who was advocating women's rights and Canada said they didn't like that much and that they 'strongly urge' Saudi officials to let them go. Canada never had any intention of getting involved in a war, instigating armed conflict, or even threatening; that's just not what Canada does. 

THAT SAID, I do think Saudi Arabia is in the wrong, less about them getting mad at Canadian officials for telling them off and more for being a shit nation with a shit history of shitty treatment of women. Their tantrum just made them look even less mature and more backwards than they did before. 

I even said in another post that I didn't wish for violence, but that something needed to be done about their shitty policies and human rights violations, specifically wishing that they just cut out the barbaric shit they have perpetuated through sheer pressure from every first world country. Violence is not the answer, That's both my stance and Canada's, but that doesn't mean action can't be taken to positively impact change, and last I checked Canada's interference in Middle Eastern politics has been that of an ally or peacekeeper, not an aggressor shooting schools or bombing busses...like Saudi Arabia supposedly did to the students of a neighbouring nation. (I have to check the research on that one but I've heard it spoken multiple times from sources I trust independant of one another.) 

Stop trying to muddle the issue, move the goalposts, or otherwise switch the topic to justify your points. I repeat, this makes you come across as heartless and in many ways ignorant.

As someone who is Canadian myself, I agree with this 100%. Took the words completely out of my mouth.

You know what I find appalling? That you can't seem to understand that there's a whole gradient of what is and is not acceptable between two extremes. You act and respond as if the only options are to tolerate nothing or tolerate everything and are treating me as a person who is hypocritical because I say "you should be nice" while also not being the nicest to a specific subset of people. On the surface, that sounds hypocritical, but considering the different levels of heinous acts being committed (One is an actual abuse of women, the dehumanization of half the population of the country, and a significant affront to basic human rights; the other being me saying 'these people are terrible for violating human rights' or 'you're cruel for not having compassion for those who deserve basic human rights.) 

If you can't differentiate between what is an unforgivable crime against women and someone saying 'cut out the human rights violations', then maybe you shouldn't be having discussions about ethics. Only fools would truly believe that there's no gradient between black and white. 

I am not kind to you or anyone else who is saying Canada should 'keep their noses out of Saudi Arabia's business' because your unwillingness to take action against cruelty indirectly broadcasts your own endorsement of said cruelty. 

We should fully embrace tolerance and equality of women, gays, people of color, and all religions, but only so long as those groups are not using their platform and newfound power to enact cruelty on others. Gays just want to marry and enjoy their partners same as everyone else, and their homosexuality does nothing to harm straight people. Women just want to be treated as equals and given the same rights as their male counterparts. PEople of color and other races just don't want to be the victims of racism and thus get the same rights and equality as everyone else. For the most part, religious people just want to worship however they want without interference or judgement of others (There are definitely issues with some subsets of some religions, but that's not a debate for here.)

Saudi Arabia is actively resisting the rights of their women (And in some cases, like the one at hand, inflicting their laws upon women who were born outside of their nation as well). This is not a case of 'let me practice my own religion without interference', it's 'allow me to continue to commit acts of human rights violations', thus completely changing the landscape of the argument. The moment Saudi Arabia's leaders are using their culture as an excuse to subjugate half their population is the moment action needs to be taken. 

Every woman deserves the right to be treated like a real human being, and I will continue to be intolerant of any nation that actively suppresses those rights. Saudi Arabia is a despicable nation who does despicable things and action needs to be taken against them, even if it is just a global pressure to 'get with the times'. If that takes Canada and the UN actively telling them to cut it out, then I support that and so should you. Not wanting to enact change to make the world a better place or actively resisting it makes you a bad person, as far as I'm concerned. 

Which is why I am telling you and anyone else who thinks like you not to breed. Stop using complacency as an excuse for stagnation. We as a race have come so far towards making the world a better place. Don't stall it becuase of some misguided attempt at neutrality; Such neutrality only supports evil. 

What are you even on about? this has nothing to do with 'western interference in the middle east'. This thread, and my comments in it, have always been about how terribly Saudi Arabia treats women (and gays, but mostly women) due to an interaction where they jailed a Canadian woman who was advocating women's rights and Canada said they didn't like that much and that they 'strongly urge' Saudi officials to let them go. Canada never had any intention of getting involved in a war, instigating armed conflict, or even threatening; that's just not what Canada does. 

THAT SAID, I do think Saudi Arabia is in the wrong, less about them getting mad at Canadian officials for telling them off and more for being a shit nation with a shit history of shitty treatment of women. Their tantrum just made them look even less mature and more backwards than they did before. 

I even said in another post that I didn't wish for violence, but that something needed to be done about their shitty policies and human rights violations, specifically wishing that they just cut out the barbaric shit they have perpetuated through sheer pressure from every first world country. Violence is not the answer, That's both my stance and Canada's, but that doesn't mean action can't be taken to positively impact change, and last I checked Canada's interference in Middle Eastern politics has been that of an ally or peacekeeper, not an aggressor shooting schools or bombing busses...like Saudi Arabia supposedly did to the students of a neighbouring nation. (I have to check the research on that one but I've heard it spoken multiple times from sources I trust independant of one another.) 

Stop trying to muddle the issue, move the goalposts, or otherwise switch the topic to justify your points. I repeat, this makes you come across as heartless and in many ways ignorant.