Alara317 said:
You know what I find appalling? That you can't seem to understand that there's a whole gradient of what is and is not acceptable between two extremes. You act and respond as if the only options are to tolerate nothing or tolerate everything and are treating me as a person who is hypocritical because I say "you should be nice" while also not being the nicest to a specific subset of people. On the surface, that sounds hypocritical, but considering the different levels of heinous acts being committed (One is an actual abuse of women, the dehumanization of half the population of the country, and a significant affront to basic human rights; the other being me saying 'these people are terrible for violating human rights' or 'you're cruel for not having compassion for those who deserve basic human rights.) If you can't differentiate between what is an unforgivable crime against women and someone saying 'cut out the human rights violations', then maybe you shouldn't be having discussions about ethics. Only fools would truly believe that there's no gradient between black and white. I am not kind to you or anyone else who is saying Canada should 'keep their noses out of Saudi Arabia's business' because your unwillingness to take action against cruelty indirectly broadcasts your own endorsement of said cruelty. We should fully embrace tolerance and equality of women, gays, people of color, and all religions, but only so long as those groups are not using their platform and newfound power to enact cruelty on others. Gays just want to marry and enjoy their partners same as everyone else, and their homosexuality does nothing to harm straight people. Women just want to be treated as equals and given the same rights as their male counterparts. PEople of color and other races just don't want to be the victims of racism and thus get the same rights and equality as everyone else. For the most part, religious people just want to worship however they want without interference or judgement of others (There are definitely issues with some subsets of some religions, but that's not a debate for here.) Saudi Arabia is actively resisting the rights of their women (And in some cases, like the one at hand, inflicting their laws upon women who were born outside of their nation as well). This is not a case of 'let me practice my own religion without interference', it's 'allow me to continue to commit acts of human rights violations', thus completely changing the landscape of the argument. The moment Saudi Arabia's leaders are using their culture as an excuse to subjugate half their population is the moment action needs to be taken. Every woman deserves the right to be treated like a real human being, and I will continue to be intolerant of any nation that actively suppresses those rights. Saudi Arabia is a despicable nation who does despicable things and action needs to be taken against them, even if it is just a global pressure to 'get with the times'. If that takes Canada and the UN actively telling them to cut it out, then I support that and so should you. Not wanting to enact change to make the world a better place or actively resisting it makes you a bad person, as far as I'm concerned. Which is why I am telling you and anyone else who thinks like you not to breed. Stop using complacency as an excuse for stagnation. We as a race have come so far towards making the world a better place. Don't stall it becuase of some misguided attempt at neutrality; Such neutrality only supports evil. |
"but considering the different levels of heinous acts being committed (One is an actual abuse of women, the dehumanization of half the population of the country, and a significant affront to basic human rights"
uh... who here is dehumanising women?
"One is an actual abuse of women, the dehumanization of half the population of the country, and a significant affront to basic human rights; the other being me saying 'these people are terrible for violating human rights' or 'you're cruel for not having compassion for those who deserve basic human rights."
you know what i find interesting about this? the fact that mainstream feminism is staunchly in support of islam... the ideology at the very base of the dehumanisation of women in the area
ironically if you wanted to aid in the progression of rights for women in the area, you'd have to fight feminism
its not surprising really looking at the track record feminism has for trampling over the rights of women in certain scenarios
this is part of the reason why people have no respect for sjws their actions are often completely inconsistent with their stated goals
"I am not kind to you or anyone else who is saying Canada should 'keep their noses out of Saudi Arabia's business' because your unwillingness to take action against cruelty indirectly broadcasts your own endorsement of said cruelty. "
uh tell me when canada in conjunction with america and other european powers bombed various countries in the middle east to progress the agenda of "spreading democracy" in the process murdering thousands maybe millions of innocent women and their families, were you on board with that too?
"Every woman deserves the right to be treated like a real human being"
which depending on your perspective and the perspective of the women involved can vary quite a bit and they should be able to make that decision for themselves, not have their agency taken away from them by some bleeding heart "liberal" who can't even keep their agendas straight since their is no logical basis beneath them
" Saudi Arabia is a despicable nation who does despicable things and action needs to be taken against them"
with air strikes? wasn't that the excuse used in iraq, yemen, lybia etc etc etc?
because you know... blowing people up definitely improves their quality of life
"Which is why I am telling you and anyone else who thinks like you not to breed."
and how are you going to stop me from breeding?
