DonFerrari said:
You said they aren't biased for left wing, just showed they are. As long as they are clear on what they are and stop pretending to be neutral all is good. But good that you gone from saying it isn't to who cares.
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I said I wouldn't consider Facebook to be left-wing, never mentioned bias.
However I also touched on the fact that the Left-wing here is different from the Left-wing in the USA which means my perspective is thus going to differ.
But I reiterate, even if Facebook is left-wing, does it really matter? You have conservative alternatives.
o_O.Q said:
"Tell me more about this "Greater Agenda". - And do you have empirical evidence?"
if you haven't reached a certain level of concern about, for example, the government bringing drugs into the country to fuel a fake war on drugs simply to steal more tax dollars, then you aren't really the type of person to care about the motivations running behind that are you?
because if you were you would already know since you'd have taken the time to look
so then what i'd have to ask is why are you pretending to be? i'd say your problem is not that you're skeptical but that you're pointing your skepticism n the wrong direction as you are supposed to
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Bold assertions, but they are just that, assertions.
Lawlight said:
“At one point”... What about now? Antifa probably has more members than the kkk at this point.
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I would actually like to see actual statistics about that, it would actually be very telling of what the current political climate is like in the USA.
Mr Puggsly said:
You don't consider Facebook left wing? It seems like you're ignoring something most people acknowledge to be true.
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See above.
North America seems to be one big step over to the right compared to here.
Mr Puggsly said:
That's the thing, what you consider far right isn't actually extreme. We are at a point where saying there are only genders and wanting more border security are far right agendas.
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Far Right and Far Left is extreme. Social values can change and swing to either pole fairly rapidly... And at the moment it seems like the world is seeing a swing towards the far-right.
What that means is that typical extreme views are seen as less extreme.
Mr Puggsly said:
I'm wondering if Facebook and YouTube are deemed to be a monopolies that silences right leaning views, does that create a problem the government has to step in and deal with? Maybe not, but those sites will certainly avoid that possible scenario by not silencing the right entirely. Hence, its difficult to compete with a monopoly and the US has ways of dealing with that.
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Well. Facebook and Youtube are companies, the market has spoketh.
There are conservative alternatives.
Mr Puggsly said:
Again, the left uses words like bigot and Nazi to demonize their opponents.
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Indeed some do, but with an increase in general facism, their use has become more abundant.
But that is a generalization you have delved into, many left-wing people will not delve into using such toxic rhetoric and nor would the right.
Bigot by it's very definition is someone who is intolerant... And it's use can be leveraged against anyone, left or right.
Calling someone a Nazi, unless they are an actual legitimate Nazi is not on.
Mr Puggsly said:
Hence, I don't respect people that use those words unless they're actually talking about people who associate with those groups or argue their racial superiority and inferiority of other races. I'm not wrong, the name calling BS is among the worst aspect of the left.
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Name calling happens on both sides.
But you are entirely correct, they don't deserve respect or support, rather than delving into Ad Hominem, the arguments presented should be debated.
Mr Puggsly said:
KKK is kinda just like a catch all term for racist white people, but hasn't been that significant since like the 1920s with some increases and declines into the 1960s. Also, the number of hate crimes is arguably low given the massive population. The left just likes to get worked up about KKK and Nazis but not really admitting those groups aren't relevant. I'd like to hear the left complain about gangs. Its the gangs that actually create significant problems in the country and kill much more minorities.
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Well. Those groups still exist. And just like Antifa, should be heavily condemned either way.
Mr Puggsly said:
I'm am a supporter of free speech and peaceful demonstrations. With that said, maybe Antifa should stop clashing with groups they oppose. For example, I'm not a fan of hate groups but they should be able to have peaceful demonstrations without Antifa goons attacking them. Also, don't harass people on the street or at restaurants.
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I am also a supporter of Free Speech. However... One thing to keep in mind is that Free Speech has not and will not ever entitle an individual to say whatever they desire without restriction or consequence.
Peaceful protests is also a freedom I fully support, but once it turns into something toxic, they should be condemned.
However... It does take two to Tango, Antifa cannot be blamed for everything.