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Chris Hu said:
o_O.Q said:

tally the topics alex jones has been wrong on and compare them to those he has been right on

then when you're finished with that tell me why the mainstream media doesn't care to tell the public how their sustenance is being sucked out of them, how they are being lied to and tricked and deceived all by their government and to what end

Alex Jones and Info Wars is mainly alternate facts, right wing conspiracy theories (pizza gate, chem trails, frogs turning gay etc.) and a heavy does of religious bullshit like calling people demons and saying they are possessed.  All that bullshit is mostly funded by selling you tons of snake oil on the side.  If you even believe 1/5 of the bullshit he says you have serious mental issues. 

"pizza gate"

i don't know much about this besides the claim that it was about pedophiles... but as far as i know pedophile rings were discovered 

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/42108748/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/t/massive-online-pedophile-ring-busted-cops/

https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2018-03-12/british-pedophile-ring-abused-1-000-children-newspaper

alex jones apparently was instrumental in the saving of all these children... whereas people like you would have swept this under the rug because it sounded too crazy

 

"chem trails"
it says something about pesticides from crop dusters? can you expand

 

" frogs turning gay"

uh this is what he's talking about

https://www.livescience.com/10957-pesticide-turns-male-frogs-females.html

 

"All that bullshit is mostly funded by selling you tons of snake oil on the side."

what is snake oil supposed to do? i've never bought it and never seen someone selling it

 

"If you even believe 1/5 of the bullshit he says you have serious mental issues. "

well to me it depends on the evidence



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o_O.Q said:
Chris Hu said:

Alex Jones and Info Wars is mainly alternate facts, right wing conspiracy theories (pizza gate, chem trails, frogs turning gay etc.) and a heavy does of religious bullshit like calling people demons and saying they are possessed.  All that bullshit is mostly funded by selling you tons of snake oil on the side.  If you even believe 1/5 of the bullshit he says you have serious mental issues. 

"pizza gate"

i don't know much about this besides the claim that it was about pedophiles... but as far as i know pedophile rings were discovered 

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/42108748/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/t/massive-online-pedophile-ring-busted-cops/

https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2018-03-12/british-pedophile-ring-abused-1-000-children-newspaper

alex jones apparently was instrumental in the saving of all these children... whereas people like you would have swept this under the rug because it sounded too crazy

 

"chem trails"
it says something about pesticides from crop dusters? can you expand

 

" frogs turning gay"

uh this is what he's talking about

https://www.livescience.com/10957-pesticide-turns-male-frogs-females.html

 

"All that bullshit is mostly funded by selling you tons of snake oil on the side."

what is snake oil supposed to do? i've never bought it and never seen someone selling it

 

"If you even believe 1/5 of the bullshit he says you have serious mental issues. "

well to me it depends on the evidence

Also they have bunch of right wing snowflakes working at Info Wars.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WshhD_ln3vw



Sharing false news is extremely dangerous to our democracy

https://youtu.be/ksb3KD6DfSI



numberwang said:

Sharing false news is extremely dangerous to our democracy

https://youtu.be/ksb3KD6DfSI

False news is one thing, having one guy writing the script for all the local news station another.  



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SpokenTruth said:
DonFerrari said:

Also said that even though they are privatelly owned (but in the case of these companies they are also publically traded) their space are basically public space.

No, no, no, no and again no.  That is not how the law works in the US.  I keep trying to tell you this and you keep doing that ^.

Go ahead, try telling a private space that they are a public space and that you will treat it like a public space and watch as the cops roll up to escort you out.

Funny enough in a post later you agreed that there are cases of privately owned public spaces.

And also I didn't say they are law defined as basically public space, I said they work as seemly public space. You were so worried about trying to show your domain on definitions that you missed the point.

Pemalite said:
DonFerrari said:

It matters on that until we can complain about the decisions companies make.

And it matters that we recognize the bias and orientation of the company to make it clear they have motives that aren't just their TOS, because if they were to really follow their TOS a lot of pages on the left spectrum would fall down.

These companies are not democracies, why should you have the right to tell any company what to do?
The appropriate approach is to vote with your wallets and let the market decide.

And I think you are missing my position entirely. - I don't care that Alex Jones got removed, he deserves everything he gets.
And I actually agree that left-wing outlets should also be heavily scrutinized and if they conflict with Facebook's ToS, then should also get shut down.

Any customer have the right to say what they would like the company to serve them as much as any company is free to not do it. I have no Idea where you take that we can't complain about them just because they are private.

I missed your point because you got off-road, and when claiming one thing and show wrong you just skipped it or made a "it doesn't matter".



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

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Going through the thread I now see who are right wing and see plenty of people misinformed about net neutrality.



Proud to be a Californian.

"Hate speech" and "fake news", on the view of social media companies, seem to be very, very, very vague and subjective matters.
That´s the real point of all this controversy.







DonFerrari said:
Pemalite said:

These companies are not democracies, why should you have the right to tell any company what to do?
The appropriate approach is to vote with your wallets and let the market decide.

And I think you are missing my position entirely. - I don't care that Alex Jones got removed, he deserves everything he gets.
And I actually agree that left-wing outlets should also be heavily scrutinized and if they conflict with Facebook's ToS, then should also get shut down.

Any customer have the right to say what they would like the company to serve them as much as any company is free to not do it. I have no Idea where you take that we can't complain about them just because they are private.

I missed your point because you got off-road, and when claiming one thing and show wrong you just skipped it or made a "it doesn't matter".

You are free to complain. - But you aren't excluded from any kind of consequence when you do so, that is the point I am making.
I.E. Free Speech has a ton of restrictions.

If you complain about a private company, they are fully within their rights to take legal action, I have seen it a few times where a business has sued a consumer for defamation.



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This entire thread can and should be put to bed with the simple truth:

"Free Speech means you are granted autonomy from the government for the things you say; you can say what you want without fear of being jailed or silenced by the government, but this doesn't mean you are free from consequences for what you say and no private entity is obligated to host you or act as a platform for you to speak from."

that's it.

That's the end of the debate. That's the simple, no-nonsense truth of it all summed up in one run-on sentence. No amount of 'arguing semantics' revolving around what is public and what is private matters. Unless Alex Jones goes to jail for the things he says, this is not an issue of free speech. That's it. discussion over. I implore you all to stop perpetuating the confusion and muddying the truth by enabling these poor discussions and improper debates. There is no opposing viewpoint of value. There is no argument that this is censorship. There is no definition or proof that this is a matter of free speech.

If you want to argue about whether or not you support Apple/Youtube/Etc's decision to no longer host this scumbag of a human, then there's a very small hint of validity in that conversation. However, the final say in the matter is that they were within their rights and are not obligated to host him. end of discussion. Whether they should or not is up for discussion, but whether they have to or not is not up for debate.

The world often does exist in shades of gray, there are not often purely right or purely wrong answers to so many things we like to discuss; this is not one of those times. there is a clear right answer and a clear wrong answer to this 'discussion', and I find it appalling that so many people are so resistant to the truth and are so willing to disregard the inalienable facts on the matter. This discussion at hand is not a matter of opinion. Opinion has no bearing on whether something is factually right or wrong.

We are more enlightened and collectively intelligent now than we've ever been in our species's lifetime, so why does that seem to give people the right to so aggressively resist the truth? Anti-Vaxxers, Flat-Earthers, Pizzagate, and virtually everything Alex Jones has ever said is so far removed from reason I'm shocked that anyone with an IQ high enough to not drown on their own saliva believes it. Shocking. appalling.

Most of all, observing this thread and about half the people participating in it is depressing. It's depressing to think that all these people - presumably many of which are old enough to vote - are so resistant to accepting the undeniable truth about US law and how it works. A shame, too. That's how we got Trump in the first place. Hopefully reason will prevail in the long run.



Pemalite said:
DonFerrari said:

Any customer have the right to say what they would like the company to serve them as much as any company is free to not do it. I have no Idea where you take that we can't complain about them just because they are private.

I missed your point because you got off-road, and when claiming one thing and show wrong you just skipped it or made a "it doesn't matter".

You are free to complain. - But you aren't excluded from any kind of consequence when you do so, that is the point I am making.
I.E. Free Speech has a ton of restrictions.

If you complain about a private company, they are fully within their rights to take legal action, I have seen it a few times where a business has sued a consumer for defamation.

Complaint go a long way before defamation, and I'm pretty sure you know the difference. Also stating that these companies have an agenda that they already confessed in senate hearing can't be determined as defamation since it's truth.

Strangely enough the behavior of Facebook was questioned also by Brazilian government due to they sticking with a single side of the spectrum to give mass banning. So if we want to use law suits as any metrics, there you go.

Just got another defense for my "defamation" against Facebook, they have named their offices with left wing personalities of Brazil (besides the director having worked for President Dilma from the left wing party that ruled the country for 13 years).

Last edited by DonFerrari - on 14 August 2018

duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."