I also find it funny. I just dont understand how some people wont accept that a high profile game recieved bad reviews and will stick up for it no matter what and demand justice and full on investigations as to why.. even though this gen has been very stricked on games lacking the basics. Than calling other people out when majority even say FM5 received the similar criticism and agree with all of it.

But no.. can't do that to a PS game especially GT, its a 10/10 RGOTY. It is superior to everything on the market because.. because of sales.

I really dont know anymore. I just scratch my head confused.

I'll try to help you once again.

People who stick with GT "no matter what" is because they still like to play the game on its current release, simple as that. And their demand for better reviews is that it have one that reflects what the game propose to do and in it the game excels, instead of what the reviewer would like the game to be.

1) After doing a final check, GT6 had 3888 premium cars after dlc. So basically a negligible difference between it and for 3.

2) The game should be praised for launching devoid of content, and then dripfeeding us that content that should've been there launch. It was launched unfinished. This is Sea of Theives all over again, except now it's okay because it's Sony and gran turismo?

3) Yeah, Assetto can probably beat forza 7 over time, but only because a new forza game launches every year, cutting the legs of the last one significantly.

3) No, your example doesn't make sense when ps only has one-two good sims on its console as well. Also, it's not a assumption, stats show most GT sales for GT come from Europe. So it's obvious that ps being a huge in Europe is a primary factor for it doing so well. Infact, GT sport bombed in North America. It was 11th in its debut NPD, and has not been seen ever since. The price dipped to $20 not much after launch.

4) Why would you make this thread if the only answer you would take was "reviewers and mainstream media is stupid"? If you already know the answer yourself and are sure you won't change your mind, why make this thread? If your mindset is "GT could do no wrong" than why bother? 

5) No one said Forza 5 is fine. It was bashed by everyone, even Forza fans. And it's not just the cars and tracks, it's the campaign mode. GT quickly put one in, and it's decent for a knee jerk reaction, but it doesn't come close to Forza or past GT games. GT6 has many other flaws that put it behind the Forza games. GT physics might be better, but it's not like Forza physics are a slouch or something. Same goes for graphics.

6) and that's when you know you've lost the argument, when you start jabbing at the person instead of the opinion.

GT Sport already has more content than Forza 5. But in terms of gameplay, its ahead of any Forza game, even 7. The physics, sounds and visuals are far, far ahead of Forza 5. There are also Vision GT cars that are insightful to the future of the automotive industry and to some of the wildest imaginations of car manufacturers. Casuals may not notice but the hardcore do.

Not to mention the online penalty systems, sportsmanship ratings and driver ratings that allow for competitive and fair matches without whack ass rammers ruining the game for everybody. Its a big deal, but of course you need to play the game to know that ;)

Forza is perpetually filled with rammers, rarely have I found myself in a race without rammers ruining the fun. That goes for the PC version of Forza 7 and I would assume it does for Forza 5 because that game didn't have anything like the same. So yes, GT Sport deserves monumentally more praise than Forza 5.

Amen, brother.

1) You sure it 3888 ;)

Jk I get your point, its almost as big as Forza 3 by itself. Standard cars are still playable though, and some of them have quite good looking exteriors in GT 6 factoring in those race cars which had standard models.

2) Not the same thing. Sea of Thieves lacks a compelling gameplay loop, just a few mission designs and one fucking enemy on land at release. On the contrary even you'll not be able to get all the cars in GT Sport in a year of playing while they keep adding more. It also has a far more compelling gameplay loop, owing to the addictive gameplay of sim racers in general and the way better multiplayer and the lack of any gameplay variety in Sea of Thieves.

3) GT was always way bigger in Europe than in North America. You do realise that Forza 7 flopped in North America? Its at just half a million on Xbox One at retail, how is that a big number whatsover? This point of yours works against you, looks like Forza isn't big anywhere. Atleast GT is big in Europe. Btw GT Sport has still sold nearly as much as Forza 7 in NA, so should I say NA has a Forza bias by your logic.

4) Here you are obviously overlooking everything I pointed out. The physics, the sounds, the visuals, the online modes, everything is lacking in Forza 7 compared to not just GT Sport but also PC2. Its the weakest sim racer of 2017, and apart from some glowing reviews and a good campaign it has nothing else going for it in the departments that really matter, which I REPEAT are - PHYSICS, SOUNDS, VISUALS and ONLINE.

5) GT 6 is a flawed game sure but if you care just about the content which is your major point on why GT Sport is worse than Forza 7, then you should love GT 6 by that factor ;)

I'll say this, I love GT 6, and its flawed but that's because its incredibly ambitious for a PS3 game. Its physics are far above any other game last gen, the graphics can be mind blowing at times, there is a fucking track visualiser, some fucking lunar missions, introduced Vision GT which is by far the coolest feature in sim racing games in a while, had dynamic weather and day night cycles, 70+ track layouts and the crazy ass Red Bulls all in a fucking PS3 game.

Also Circuito de la Sierra track is my favourite fictional track in a game. Its 27 km long! And its a damn good track.

6) I said that because I couldn't stand you and Azzanation completely overlooking the stuff I have repeatedly said in point 4) and its irritating when someone skips over your main points in an argument and just assumes things like me calling the media stupid. I never said that so don't put words in my mouth.

2) At launch of GT sport the amount of content was way short, and it got boring fast due to repetition in tracks. Sure, you couldn't play all the cars of GT sport, but you don't need to either, as many of them are duplicates Some of these cars have 3-4 reskin variants that were probably made to fluff the car count (bmw m4, jaguar f-type, mustang 2015, acura nsx, etc)

3) "flop" has a different meaning for the two franchises. There have been 5 forza games this gen, so ofcourse all of them sell less than GT Sport. Forza is accustomed to getting those types of sales, while GT usually get's way more. Forza is more about incremental upgrades, so not nearly as many resources are used when they take a lot of the stuff from the previous game. Turn 10/Playground just want you to play forza, no matter what game it is. And they were successful at it, cause 22 million people played some kind of Forza in 2017.

Yes, the online is weak right now. Even Turn 10 acknowledged it. They are working on fixing it.

4) So are you saying forza visuals are bad? Because they aren't, and they're actually better than PCars2, and only a bit behind Gran Turismo. Pcars and Forza and aiming for different things when it comes to physics, so they can't be compared. Pcars aim is ultra-realism, while Forza is aimed to be more forgiving. All three games have stellar physics. GT Sport is the weakest of the three, because despite being a bit better and physics and graphics, it throws out a lot from past GT games. Proper tuning/Upgrades, B-Spec, proper career, dynamic time of day, weather and more are all thrown out the window. And are you saying CONTENT isn't a department that matters? How about SINGLE PLAYER? How long would you play the best sim racer of all time, except if it only had one car and one track?

And did you even read my #4? You didn't even answer the question.

5) Well, I am critical of GT6, but I've gotta agree with you, it was a lot a lot of fun when I played. For all of it's downfalls, it was still a pretty decent game. I actually loved Circuito De La Sierra too, one of my favorite fictional tracks.

6) We aren't overlooking what you say, we have already addressed it thoroughly. Yet you keep repeating the same points, which is confusing to us. Let me reiterate:

-Graphics: FM7 is an awesome looking in it's own right. Just because it's a bit worse than GT, doesn't make it "bad".

-Physics: Basically the same thing I said about Graphics

-Online: Yes, it needs to be fixed, and is a major flaw for the game rn.

Again, why bother making this thread you think it's set in stone that GT is the best game ever?

Why does GT not get any acclaim in mainstream media?

This is the question you asked, and we thoroughly answered it. 

You asked this question, then you decided it to answer it yourself by saying "mainstream media are not the hardcore community ", etc etc. If you "knew" the answer, why did you even make this thread?

I have already debunked the "Forza sells less because it release more often". Fifa 14-18 is there to prove it, as was Rock Band, Guitar Hero, AC, CoD, etc...

They have rise and some drop not because people bought one and then didn't need the rest, most of those have had the userbase buying all entries. Some burned because they were even less than 1 year separation between titles and other for stagnation.

But nope, if there were only a single Forza this gen it wouldn't sell 15M (nor in the last gen, even sum of the 3 FM barely would do it).

GT Sport already has more content than Forza 5. But in terms of gameplay, its ahead of any Forza game, even 7. The physics, sounds and visuals are far, far ahead of Forza 5. There are also Vision GT cars that are insightful to the future of the automotive industry and to some of the wildest imaginations of car manufacturers. Casuals may not notice but the hardcore do.

Not to mention the online penalty systems, sportsmanship ratings and driver ratings that allow for competitive and fair matches without whack ass rammers ruining the game for everybody. Its a big deal, but of course you need to play the game to know that ;)

Forza is perpetually filled with rammers, rarely have I found myself in a race without rammers ruining the fun. That goes for the PC version of Forza 7 and I would assume it does for Forza 5 because that game didn't have anything like the same. So yes, GT Sport deserves monumentally more praise than Forza 5.

Amen, brother.

1) You sure it 3888 ;)

Jk I get your point, its almost as big as Forza 3 by itself. Standard cars are still playable though, and some of them have quite good looking exteriors in GT 6 factoring in those race cars which had standard models.

2) Not the same thing. Sea of Thieves lacks a compelling gameplay loop, just a few mission designs and one fucking enemy on land at release. On the contrary even you'll not be able to get all the cars in GT Sport in a year of playing while they keep adding more. It also has a far more compelling gameplay loop, owing to the addictive gameplay of sim racers in general and the way better multiplayer and the lack of any gameplay variety in Sea of Thieves.

3) GT was always way bigger in Europe than in North America. You do realise that Forza 7 flopped in North America? Its at just half a million on Xbox One at retail, how is that a big number whatsover? This point of yours works against you, looks like Forza isn't big anywhere. Atleast GT is big in Europe. Btw GT Sport has still sold nearly as much as Forza 7 in NA, so should I say NA has a Forza bias by your logic.

4) Here you are obviously overlooking everything I pointed out. The physics, the sounds, the visuals, the online modes, everything is lacking in Forza 7 compared to not just GT Sport but also PC2. Its the weakest sim racer of 2017, and apart from some glowing reviews and a good campaign it has nothing else going for it in the departments that really matter, which I REPEAT are - PHYSICS, SOUNDS, VISUALS and ONLINE.

5) GT 6 is a flawed game sure but if you care just about the content which is your major point on why GT Sport is worse than Forza 7, then you should love GT 6 by that factor ;)

I'll say this, I love GT 6, and its flawed but that's because its incredibly ambitious for a PS3 game. Its physics are far above any other game last gen, the graphics can be mind blowing at times, there is a fucking track visualiser, some fucking lunar missions, introduced Vision GT which is by far the coolest feature in sim racing games in a while, had dynamic weather and day night cycles, 70+ track layouts and the crazy ass Red Bulls all in a fucking PS3 game.

Also Circuito de la Sierra track is my favourite fictional track in a game. Its 27 km long! And its a damn good track.

6) I said that because I couldn't stand you and Azzanation completely overlooking the stuff I have repeatedly said in point 4) and its irritating when someone skips over your main points in an argument and just assumes things like me calling the media stupid. I never said that so don't put words in my mouth.

GT Sport already has more content than Forza 5. But in terms of gameplay, its ahead of any Forza game, even 7. The physics, sounds and visuals are far, far ahead of Forza 5. There are also Vision GT cars that are insightful to the future of the automotive industry and to some of the wildest imaginations of car manufacturers. Casuals may not notice but the hardcore do.

Not to mention the online penalty systems, sportsmanship ratings and driver ratings that allow for competitive and fair matches without whack ass rammers ruining the game for everybody. Its a big deal, but of course you need to play the game to know that ;)

Forza is perpetually filled with rammers, rarely have I found myself in a race without rammers ruining the fun. That goes for the PC version of Forza 7 and I would assume it does for Forza 5 because that game didn't have anything like the same. So yes, GT Sport deserves monumentally more praise than Forza 5.

Amen, brother.

1) You sure it 3888 ;)

Jk I get your point, its almost as big as Forza 3 by itself. Standard cars are still playable though, and some of them have quite good looking exteriors in GT 6 factoring in those race cars which had standard models.

2) Not the same thing. Sea of Thieves lacks a compelling gameplay loop, just a few mission designs and one fucking enemy on land at release. On the contrary even you'll not be able to get all the cars in GT Sport in a year of playing while they keep adding more. It also has a far more compelling gameplay loop, owing to the addictive gameplay of sim racers in general and the way better multiplayer and the lack of any gameplay variety in Sea of Thieves.

3) GT was always way bigger in Europe than in North America. You do realise that Forza 7 flopped in North America? Its at just half a million on Xbox One at retail, how is that a big number whatsover? This point of yours works against you, looks like Forza isn't big anywhere. Atleast GT is big in Europe. Btw GT Sport has still sold nearly as much as Forza 7 in NA, so should I say NA has a Forza bias by your logic.

4) Here you are obviously overlooking everything I pointed out. The physics, the sounds, the visuals, the online modes, everything is lacking in Forza 7 compared to not just GT Sport but also PC2. Its the weakest sim racer of 2017, and apart from some glowing reviews and a good campaign it has nothing else going for it in the departments that really matter, which I REPEAT are - PHYSICS, SOUNDS, VISUALS and ONLINE.

5) GT 6 is a flawed game sure but if you care just about the content which is your major point on why GT Sport is worse than Forza 7, then you should love GT 6 by that factor ;)

I'll say this, I love GT 6, and its flawed but that's because its incredibly ambitious for a PS3 game. Its physics are far above any other game last gen, the graphics can be mind blowing at times, there is a fucking track visualiser, some fucking lunar missions, introduced Vision GT which is by far the coolest feature in sim racing games in a while, had dynamic weather and day night cycles, 70+ track layouts and the crazy ass Red Bulls all in a fucking PS3 game.

Also Circuito de la Sierra track is my favourite fictional track in a game. Its 27 km long! And its a damn good track.

6) I said that because I couldn't stand you and Azzanation completely overlooking the stuff I have repeatedly said in point 4) and its irritating when someone skips over your main points in an argument and just assumes things like me calling the media stupid. I never said that so don't put words in my mouth.

GT Sport already has more content than Forza 5. But in terms of gameplay, its ahead of any Forza game, even 7. The physics, sounds and visuals are far, far ahead of Forza 5. There are also Vision GT cars that are insightful to the future of the automotive industry and to some of the wildest imaginations of car manufacturers. Casuals may not notice but the hardcore do.

Not to mention the online penalty systems, sportsmanship ratings and driver ratings that allow for competitive and fair matches without whack ass rammers ruining the game for everybody. Its a big deal, but of course you need to play the game to know that ;)

Forza is perpetually filled with rammers, rarely have I found myself in a race without rammers ruining the fun. That goes for the PC version of Forza 7 and I would assume it does for Forza 5 because that game didn't have anything like the same. So yes, GT Sport deserves monumentally more praise than Forza 5.

GT Sport already has more content than Forza 5. But in terms of gameplay, its ahead of any Forza game, even 7. The physics, sounds and visuals are far, far ahead of Forza 5. There are also Vision GT cars that are insightful to the future of the automotive industry and to some of the wildest imaginations of car manufacturers. Casuals may not notice but the hardcore do.

Not to mention the online penalty systems, sportsmanship ratings and driver ratings that allow for competitive and fair matches without whack ass rammers ruining the game for everybody. Its a big deal, but of course you need to play the game to know that ;)

Forza is perpetually filled with rammers, rarely have I found myself in a race without rammers ruining the fun. That goes for the PC version of Forza 7 and I would assume it does for Forza 5 because that game didn't have anything like the same. So yes, GT Sport deserves monumentally more praise than Forza 5.