Yes, those ones. A kill is a kill, no matter who you kill. It's never okay to kill someone just because of different sides.

In Ellie's case it's not that Joel actively killed her, she chose herself to become a sacrifice for science in order to gain a chance to save humanity. That's a big difference in my eyes and Joel forced his will upon her.

It's more "choose your own adventure" than game but I think you'll love it. It won all of those game of the year awards for a reason! You don't have to rush and play it but when/if you do play it, post your opinion on it

One of the few times a game made me cry!

As a Father, I'd obvious save Ellie. But it wouldn't be a choice, it would just be instinctive. I've seen many people bringing 'choice' into the equation (which it is AFTER Joel kills the doctor and rescues Ellie) but that exists as part of another context, not 'saving the world'. It surprises me how little people actually pay attention to characters. I suppose we can blame Hollywood and it's obsession with large explosions and quick cuts for that, as well as the pseudo 'grown up' themes of saving the world, preventing famine or achieving world peace. You know ... the sort of thing lots of students say to impress grown ups. You see, if you think back through the character development, you'll find why Ellie would have made the choice, and it wouldn't have been 'to save humanity', it would have been because she was 'waiting for her turn'. 'That's not on her' though, as Joel points out towards the end of the narrative. Ellie was fatalistic and wanted to die for her friend. Whilst the sacrifice would have saved humanity, the real reason for her giving her life up would have been guilt. 

As a father of a 4 year old daughter I’d definitely choose Ellie, fuck the world, there’s not a chance I’d sacrifice my girl for it. Joel eventually saw Ellie as his daughter and developed the fatherly love you develop when you have a daughter (or son). I challenge any father or mother here to say different, and if you do you’re clearly lying that you’re a parent.

Ellie. I'm very selfish, in the real world I wouldn't give two fucks about humanity. Plus, they've failed before.

Well yes and no. Joel is an asshole. You could already see this in the prologue. Where he lets the family on the street even though they had enough place in the car.

He is a very selfish person. when did Joel turn into a good guy? He just started to care about a girl thats all, he is just selfish. He has no sympathy or compassion, except for the people that he "loves".

Now I dont want to say I would have done something else. I am just saying how I see it.
If Ellie was my daughter I would of course not let her die there.

Oh and btw you dont have to kill the doctor. thats optional as far as I remember.

While I understand these points deviate from TLOU story, I think another similar question needs to be asked to see both sides of the coin.

Get on a worldwide platform with someone who can grab a vast amount of the worlds attention and use that platform to wholeheartedly tell the world that if it came down to saving just those few people in your direct family or the other 7 billion people on this planet, that you would pick your family and let the rest of humanity die, and see how the world reacts.

If you think Trump get's a lot of hate, I can assure you that this would be much much worse.

I'm not necessarily saying either of you are wrong, but while one decision is strongly biological, the other is strongly logical. Since the decision is up to that one person, what really matters is what they believe. Do they think the individual is more important or the group? I don't think you can easily say one or the other is a better decision. Each has it's pros and cons.

An even deeper question would be how well could you handle the situation afterwards? Could you really live with yourself after something like that, regardless of the choice you made? It's an insanely difficult predicament to ponder. In terms of TLOU story, I think whether or not to save Ellie based on the information at hand is a much simpler decision than this scenario could ever be.

I wish I could say that I could sacrifice Ellie for the greater good but I am not sure that I can.

When you are a father that have seem human race are about useless would you sacrifice your daughter for it? No point in doing it. That is the whole premise of the last of US.

I haven't played The Last of Us, but based on what I know of the scenario, I'd have insisted that the Fireflies waited until she woke up and asked her.

She's supposed to be a fairly intelligent person. From my in-universe knowledge, I might suppose that she guessed that this would be necessary. That could be why she was quiet, especially if she didn't want me to know. Since that could be the case, I would permit her to decide and sacrifice her life if she deemed it worthwhile.